There is already a two state solution. It’s what is happening currently and Israel has systematically chipped away at it for 75 years. They will not stop until they have erased any possibility of a Palestinian state. The solution is one state where everyone has equal rights.
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Ah yes, the approach that's failing since 80 years surely going to work this time.
IIRC, the UN has held this same vote (with the same result) on a regular basis for decades. This isn’t a new development.
This requires Israel removing Netanyahu and his far right alliance from power, and Palestine building a stable elected government.
Netanyahu might be removed in the next election because Israelis are fed up with his military aggression that has failed to eliminate Hamas or free the remaining hostages. This is an election year.
The Palestinian authority has to be completely dismantled and rebuilt with new elections and authority to properly govern. Abbas is about to enter the 21st year of his 4 year term.
He was removed in 2022 and barely got back in the last election (Current gov was elected with 49.5% of the voters). Plus for the last 2 years, the polls show the gov parties don't have nearly enough support to get reelected.
Problem is there's a high chance they'll interfere with the elections.
And this will have to come with some measures or support for deradicalized education and support for joint Palestinian-Israeli organizations that bring people together like Standing Together, Combatants for Peace, etc.
No country can claim to back up a two state solution while providing zero concrete measures if israel refuse to do it
Which they will absolutely refuse to do
for one thing, Saudi Arabia is bribing the US, though it's questionable whether that'd work
Qatar bribed trump then allowed israel to bomb qatar
There is no two-state solution on stolen land.
I doubt mass deporting Israeli Jews will gain much support either, and without that you'd just end up with Jim Crow—the US racial discrimination in spite of the anti-slavery Civil War—where the Israeli majority will just democratically tyrannize the Palestinians like they're doing right now, just without the bombs.
I don't think there'd be a Jewish majority if Palestinian refugees are granted the right to return from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, etc.
Also, a lot of Jewish people would outright refuse to live in decolonized Palestine. They'd rather live in Europe than in a country they are forced to share with Palestinians. Without apartheid and a Jewish ethnostate, the Middle East loses a lot of its appeal.
Especially when a lot of them lose their property because it's fucking stolen.
that seems like a big risk to take. alternatively palestinian refugees could choose to just not return because of all the recent horrors and shaky stability. plus, jim crow dominated even black-majority areas.
I think Palestinians have demonstrated over and over that they are willing to stay on the land even at the risk of their own lives.
Israelis, meanwhile, flee the country whenever things get difficult. Their population growth is negative at the moment.
Also, Jim Crow and the defeat of Reconstruction happened because slave owners weren't imprisoned for their crimes or stripped of their wealth and/or property. They lost their slaves, they didn't lose their land or even their social or political power. They had business relations and could recover. We don't have to make that mistake again. Every war criminal goes to prison and pays reparations, every person on stolen land gets their land seized, then you won't have a similar repeat of Jim Crow.
I think Palestinians have demonstrated over and over that they are willing to stay on the land even at the risk of their own lives.
Not the ones that have fled and you're counting on to come back.
We repeated Jim Crow in German denazification and Japanese deimperialism-ing, all for the same reason: politicians lost interest. I don't see why that would change enough to become a guarantee.
Denazification worked, what are you talking about?
The modern German government is very good at going against Nazis, but that is not because of Denazification, which turned into just filing paperwork.
Very soon after the program started, due to the emergence of the Cold War, the western powers and the United States in particular began to lose interest in the program, somewhat mirroring the Reverse Course in American-occupied Japan. Denazification was carried out in an increasingly lenient and lukewarm way until being officially abolished in 1951. The American government soon came to view the program as ineffective and counterproductive. Additionally, the program was hugely unpopular in West Germany, where many Nazis maintained positions of power. Denazification was opposed by the new West German government of Konrad Adenauer,[4] who declared that ending the process was necessary for West German rearmament.[5]
Again, because the caseload was impossibly large, the German tribunals began to look for ways to speed up the process. Unless their crimes were serious, members of the Nazi Party born after 1919 were exempted on the grounds that they had been brainwashed. Disabled veterans were also exempted. To avoid the necessity of a slow trial in open court, which was required for those belonging to the most serious categories, more than 90% of cases were judged not to belong to the serious categories and therefore were dealt with more quickly.[3]: 283
More "efficiencies" followed. The tribunals accepted statements from other people regarding the accused's involvement in Nazism. These statements earned the nickname of Persilscheine, after advertisements for the laundry and whitening detergent Persil.[13] There was corruption in the system, with Nazis buying and selling denazification certificates on the black market. Nazis who were found guilty were often punished with fines assessed in Reichsmarks, which had become nearly worthless.[3]: 290 While the military government was aware of the fines' nominal cost, requiring a hearing for each case prevented mass acquittals of many individuals.[9] In Bavaria, the Denazification Minister, Anton Pfeiffer, bridled under the "victor's justice", and presided over a system that reinstated 75% of officials the Americans had dismissed and reclassified 60% of senior Nazis.[3]: 284 The denazification process lost a great deal of credibility, and there was often local hostility against Germans who helped administer the tribunals. Threats and even violence against tribunal members had become fairly commonplace.[3]: 285-288
It became the anti-Nazism force it is today due to the 60s Vergangenheitsbewältigung movement and popular programming bringing the issues to the forefront, such as the TV series that popularized the term "Holocaust".
We can't rely on a similar stroke of luck to have the Israeli culture just confront itself, too.
From the same article you quoted:
On the other hand, in the Soviet occupation zone and later East Germany, denazification was considered as a critical element of the transformation into a socialist society, and the country was stricter in opposing Nazism than its counterpart.
The US and other Western powers lost interest because the US was sympathetic to the Nazis.
The lesson here is that Iran and the Axis of Resistance should be the ones in charge of de-Zionification, rather than Zionist-sympathizers.
Did you know that is the reason my country (Iran) voted no to this resolution?
because Iran backs one state that everyone lives in it and refugees have come back.
It's so surreal this is referred to as the New York Declaration but the US votes against it. I'm sure there's history there, but I just see the irony on the surface.
Semi-serious alternative. Weird and crazy. China Mieville's The City & the City.. Could it work here?