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In 2015, a Russian Su-24M entered Turkish airspace for 17 seconds. What happened next will shock you (media.piefed.social)
submitted 2 weeks ago by PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social to c/aiop@lemmy.world
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Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown

Basically, they warned the pilot 10 different times to change course before he got into their airspace, and then when he didn't, he became wreckage.

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[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It'd be nice if the rest of NATO could grow a pair and do the same thing.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah. The aftermath was pretty telling too, about all kinds of things.

  1. NATO didn't back up Türkiye on the issue, which kind of put Türkiye in a fuckin' rough spot. This led to a little bit of a falling out, and is indicative that NATO is full of old ministers in safe offices who don't have a real strong concept of loyalty among a few other things.
  2. Erdogan turned on the pilots involved and made them the scapegoat shortly after, which is indicative that Erdogan's a piece of shit.
  3. Russia didn't mind at all. After Erdogan made some performative gestures of making-nice, they turned right back around and started doing thriving business with Türkiye, they're still smuggling oil out through them to this day. This is indicative of how Putin perceives power and respect. All those aforementioned NATO ministers who are doing careful "escalation management," he perceives as a massive bunch of limp wankers, whereas if someone just shoots down his planes with their expendable pilots, he's like "Jolly good nice to know you've got some backbone in a scrap" and he's fine with you. There was nothing of how Türkiye is trying to start World War 3 by shoving back against his testing.
[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you might be underestimatimg just how much Erdogan being a piece of shit is a problem for NATO. If it weren't for the Bosphorus Strait, Türkiye would likely no longer even be in NATO.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

What do you mean? I'm not disagreeing, just asking, how is Erdogan being a piece of shit a big problem for them? I'm sure they don't like it, but he doesn't like them either, so fine.