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Wanted to get a new phone since my S20 is starting to show its age. And with all the enshitification of Android lately I thought it'd be good to try a different phone OS.

However, I don't really want to buy a Google Pixel so GrapheneOS is a no go. I was really interested in the Fold 7 but it seems that will not be possible to get without Android. Thought DivestOS was good but it looks like support ended in 2024.

What other phone OS are people using?

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[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I sorely miss DivestOS for this purpose, but I'd consider CalyxOS (development sadly on pause) ~~and iodeOS~~ as runners-up. /e/OS got caught sending voice-to-text data to OpenAI, so I'd stay away for the time being.

edit: sad to see that iode has a freemium model on some of its features. see replies for more nuance on the /e/OS situation.

LineageOS will get the most years of support out of the most devices. While leagues ahead of Android for privacy, bear in mind that it still isn't airtight with regard to the occasional piece of telemetry data sent back to Google. It's about the only thing that can keep one of my older Pixels somewhat up-to-date.

LeOS is like LineageOS with all Google telemetry stripped out, but only in GSI form (no builds optimized for specific devices), so YMMV with hardware compatibility. I have this on my Samsung tablet.

I've also heard about Volla Phones (with VollaOS) and Brax Phones (with iodeOS or Ubuntu Touch), but haven't taken a serious look since the screen sizes offered are too big for me.

I might try out a Linux phone next, but the relative lack of battery optimizations and edge-case issues leave me a bit hesitant. Also, check out detailed comparison of the common Android ROMs with regard to privacy and security: https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

/e/OS got caught sending voice-to-text data to OpenAI

To clarify it's an optional STT service, not on by default if one is not using Murena services, which before sending data proxy it so it's not associated with a specific user account, for anonymization. It even says so in the screenshot of the links post, for premium Murena service users. FUD from https://lemmy.ml/post/35472063?scrollToComments=true seems to already be working out, sadly.

Details https://doc.e.foundation/murena-voice-to-text including "This feature is exclusively available to Murena Workspace Premium users."

[–] traceur201@piefed.social 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The developers' response to the threads bringing this up with them were absolutely abysmal. They wouldn't even answer the question "does e send data to third parties when this feature is turned off" directly

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[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you work for them or something

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, why do you suggest that? If one were to say something incorrect about Google or Meta, even though not only I do not work for them but even spend quite a bit of resource to get away from them, I would still say it aloud.

Here I said, multiple times, that the post that sparked this is not correct... because it simply is not true. Nothing more, nothing less.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Ok but why use it over lineage without installing gapps?

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[–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for all of the options! May look more into LineageOS

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

LineageOS and the companion microg for LineageOS is a good alternative. They offer a wide variety of phones (and some tablets) that are supported. Been using microg for LOS for over 5 years now with no major issues.

[–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Good to know, thanks!

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 weeks ago

5132

GrapheneOS is the only one cellebrite admits it has trouble with, I can't recommend another OS, but I can say that being resistant to the government hacking your phone has recently become more important and it might be worth reconsidering.

[–] berty@feddit.org 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Why not install LineageOS on your S20?

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[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago

You could buy a used Pixel, if you don't want to support Google.

[–] DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

pinephone or a H.A.M radio

[–] dreaper@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I gave up and went back to a flip phone. XP3plus. More durable, way less of a headache compared to smartphones that are high maintenance. Sure, it runs Android. But they big factor is, it's a scaled down version of Android; it comes that way out of the box. Just basic apps and no app store. It's been a breath of fresh air.

Best part? It's designed to be a utility. Not a human pacifier with social media apps.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sad that there are no Linux phone versions for the Xiaomi brands, they're good, resilient and powerful for their price IMO.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeeeah but what if I want to use my Xiaomi that's only like 10 years old?

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

The Furi phone runs a version of Linux and has decent specs

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Check out UBports/Ubuntu Touch, it’s a linux-based OS with a neat desktop mode when docked.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Suggesting a non-Android-derived mobile OS shouldn't get you downvoted. While I too risking going against the grain, I recommend OpenHarmony. It is available on laptops and should become available on smartphones eventually.

[–] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

No one else knows about iode os?

https://iode.tech/iodeos/

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

If you want a new phone consider /e/OS as you can directly buy a phone from Murena (who maintains /e/OS) and thus get something working from day 1, no tinkering.

To clarify, because there is constant FUD around /e/OS (I think the deGoogled Android crowd is VERY passionate and invests a lot of effort into picking the "right" ROM for them leading to a kind of "holy war" which tends to lose focus on what actually matters, namely leave Google!) so to clarify

  • /e/OS is not Murena
  • Murena is the French company that sells phones, including refurbished, running /e/OS
  • /e/OS is open source https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/os/
  • services from Murena are optional, including STT (which is a premium service) and anything cloud based requires Murena accounts
  • one can buy a phone from Murena and not using any of their service, it's as straightforward as NOT creating an account when booting the phone the first time, or not using an account, that's it.

Honestly I recommend this solution if you want a good compromise because IMHO

  • Linux phones, e.g. PinePhones (I have 2, cf post history for details) aren't daily drivers yet for most
  • it works, simple as that
  • it's quite affordable, you don't need a flagship to run /e/OS
  • it is actually deGoogled Android, which is IMHO the whole point
  • depending on your bank you might be able to use their banking app

Feel free to ask questions, happy to clarify.

[–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for the detailed information. The Fairphone 6 is a strong contender to be sure and if I'm able to buy one with the OS installed all the better! Only problem is I'm in the US so I don't know how much more expensive it will be for me to buy.

And after doing a quick search of /e/OS it looks like an iOS clone, which I am not super fond of. Have you used it before?

Also, it seems my bank isn't supported. So that's another bummer

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You're welcome, briefly :

  • yeah... I'm not going to guess with tariff what's going on, they might not even ship anymore
  • I have been using it for half a year now and I like /e/OS , it's literally just Android without Google, that's it. If you find Android customizable enough to have the look&feel you need then you'll probably be OK
  • if you use mobile banking daily, it might even be enough to look for another solution. Be cautious though that if it's not working there, then most likely it won't work on other deGoogled solutions. Might have to consider changing banks. Before going through all that trouble though I'd try 1 week without the bank app and see how feasible that is. Maybe it's a big deal, maybe it's actually not that bad.
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[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I am curious to why no google Pixel?

[–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Nothing against the Pixel per se but I wanted to keep my options open. I wanted a big upgrade from my current phone to justify buying a new one and I read a lot of Manga and webtoons. Hence, why I was looking at the Fold 7.

However, I will keep an open mind about phones. The Pixel 9 doesn't look too bad tbh.

[–] chottomatte 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

CalyxOS , though updates are temporarily paused for unknown period , you can get Fairphone 4 or Fairphone 5 , if privacy is your main concern and you don't mind downgrading

[–] bobbyfiend@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

I just saw that 2024 Moto G models (or at least one of them?) is supported. This makes me happy.

[–] bootloop@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Would anyone know of a custom ROM for an Oppo Reno 4 Pro? Looked everywhere, can't find one.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

/e/OS has similar goals as Graphene (not exactly), but it supports many more models than Pixels. Check their list and see if it fits your needs.

[–] Skorp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

The goals are completely different, and the actual implementations are miles apart. They aren't comparable apart from a common AOSP ancestor.

[–] Canrith6696@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago
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