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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lmao at CCP apologists here. Just cut the noise of "he said, she said"-type of denunciation of sources because it's "Western" and use Occam's razor on this. Most people don't want to be bothered and to just get on with their lives. If the Uyghurs are indeed not being genocided, hundreds if not thousands of them would not bother to protest. Because if they aren't, they would prefer to simply get on with their own lives. There are too many complaints not to ignore if there is no genocide happening. If there's smoke, there's fire.

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

There's millions of complains about the covid vaccine causing seizures to autism to magnetism, it doesn't mean covid vaccines are dangerous, it means you have to examine the selection method.

I've been to Urumqi, my takeaway was that I didnt have enough knowledge to understand their situation, and random people who haven't been within 1000 miles of this place understand even less.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

There's [millions of complains about the covid vaccine causing seizures to autism to magnetism]

Isn't this a vain and pathetic attempt to throw a red herring, comparing genocide to fake vaccine side effects like magnetism. Where are the millions of complaints you mentioned about vaccines from the website you linked, which is notoriously being doctored (pun intended) by the unqualified, antivaxxer NHS head Robert Kennedy?

Most people don't complain if they are not being inconvenienced. That's the point of complaining. Even Tibetans are not complaining about genocide despite the politics, because they're not being subjected to the same treatment that Uyghurs are being subjected to.

Of course you won't see much about Urumqi, because you haven't been to any of the "reeducation camps". And people who are not in camps would not dare speak about their true feelings.

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

people who are not in camps would not dare speak about their true feelings.

Bro it's not 1984, people might not talk about politics online, but they absolutely will describe whatever bullshit they're dealing with in person.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Wouldn't it be the other way around? With the right tools online to stay anonymous, they could talk about what they feel. If asked in person, they would not open be so open because they could be talking to a secret police and be sent to one of the camps.

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Getting sent to a secret camp because your neighbor is an undercover cop secretly monitoring you for wrongthink is wildly outside of anybody on earth's experience, except North Korea, allegedly.

Sending a message on wechat and having it not arrive or having your internet cut off for 10 seconds during a live chat because your toddler walked into frame is.

There was one chinese traveler on vacation I met in Hanoi who said some out-of-pocket shit about Hitler saving Germany. I mentioned it to some other chinese folks and they were as baffled as I was, but didn't think it was productive to confront him. I got the sense that randos with insane views are common enough they don't have the energy to try to correct them.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

undercover cop secretly monitoring you for wrongthink is wildly outside of anybody on earth's experience, except North Korea, allegedly.

Except Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, and increasingly the US and El Salvador, allegedly.

There was one chinese traveler on vacation I met in Hanoi who said some out-of-pocket shit about Hitler saving Germany. I mentioned it to some other chinese folks and they were as baffled as I was, but didn't think it was productive to confront him.

Anyone can say anything about Hitler because the Nazi party don't exist anymore and was enemy of everyone except the fascists. Have you and others tried to criticise the CCP, though?

Nice try with another attempt at another red herring. That's cute. Got any more strange attempt to derail the argument?

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

China, Iran, Cuba

I could believe Russia, but the people who've been to Cuba I've met show its absolutely false. The Iranians and people who've traveled to Iran I've met suggest there are religious police that do suck, but it technically being punishable doesn't stop them from criticizing those cops to foreigners.

Have you and others tried to criticise the CCP, though

Yes, like all the time, you just have to ask about a specific policy someone has feelings on.

red herring

I'm trying to give a more general description of criticism and dissent within China.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

You could believe Russia? Mate, they have been arresting those criticise the war in Ukraine and Putin. In Cuba and China, they could say anything about corrupt individuals as long as they avoid criticising the overall party polices and leaders themselves. Iranians could criticise cops and politicians sure, but not the ayatollahs and the restrictive sharia law. Could people in Iran, China and Iran even vote for anyone not vetted by the ruling parties?

Again, I have to applaud your attempt to downplay the severity of these authoritarian regimes. Cleverest PR spin I have seen in a while. 5 cents straight to your bank account. Your level of English is showing.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 87 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's only genocide if its from the Völkermord region in Germany. Otherwise it's just sparkling mass murder.

[–] Medic8teMe@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The sheer volume of actual Germans on Lemmy that believe this statement and will argue about it is shocking.

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[–] Kobibi@sh.itjust.works 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A year or so ago, the new UK government sent a delegation to China to improve relations and shore up trade and investment deals, ignoring criticism from the left about Uyghur genocide

This is what the Tankies get fundamentally wrong about the modern world - the idea that anything anti-China is a smear to further Western Imperialism is a throwback to the cold war dichotomy of The West vs Communism.

In reality now, it's all about investment and global trade, neoliberal wealth generation over human rights. Of course propaganda is real and everywhere, but the framing of it all as West vs East is just incredibly outdated and oversimplified.

Downplaying or waving away mistreatment of the Uyghurs puts you on the same side as Western Governments, so dismissing the issue as Western Propaganda is fundamentally flawed

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 23 hours ago

Yeah, people heard their grandpa say racist/straight propaganda against a country they know in the modern day as useful and decide to go overboard protecting it as if every negative statement cant be trusted.
Its definitely not the same world anymore and protecting bad behavior of human treatment behind past victimhood does nothing to help. It just excuses away one more abuser who is trying to make a buck.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Fucking thank you. I see people railing against imperialism by describing the world through an entirely imperialistic mindset. They are so lost in the sauce they can't see straight.

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago
[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 78 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's not true, you're CIA, and even if it was true it would be a good thing.

You're CIA.

(/s obviously)

(You're CIA)

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Stop being racist against the Chinese you AmeriKKKan fascistic nazi! Go and read theory! /s

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure if I criticized the CCP, the wumaos will call me a "汉奸" ("han traitor") despite me not having PRC Citizenship anymore (and I didn't even renounce it, they were the ones that revoked it 🤷‍♂️)

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's a pretty widely accepted fact that no matter your citizenship, the party will always consider you Chinese ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Out of curiosity, do you know where the phenomenon of Chinese people, outside china, referring to locals as ”外国人“ stems from?I've found this fascinating as in english you refer to yourself as a foreigner when you are in another country, not the locals.

Is this just a language thing, or is this also influenced by the mindset brought on by heavier nationalism (than I'm used to, anyway, in Australia), in your opinion?

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Out of curiosity, do you know where the phenomenon of Chinese people, outside china, referring to locals as ”外国人“ stems from?I’ve found this fascinating as in english you refer to yourself as a foreigner when you are in another country, not the locals.

Idk what people using Mandarin say, I don't talk to Mandarin speakers a lot. In Cantonese, its "鬼佬" which is probably most accurately translated as "outsider", rather than "foreigner" (as in terms of nationality/citizenship). As for "外国人", I think people just conflate country with ethnicity, and also because the "国" (country) would be referring to the ancestral country, not the country they're currently at, so I assume it also is supposed to mean "outsider".

These are bascially just a all encompassing terms to use to describe people who are not ethnically Chinese. And to clarify, I don't think these terms are inherently hostile, I think its more like not feeling welcomed/accepted by the local community. It can be used both positively or negatively depending on context. Its tribalism basically, because you're in an unfamiliar place and you feel like you want to stick together to survive.

Because... think about it this way, Wong Kim Ark, was by default, denied of his birthright US Citizenship because he was non-white, and he had to fight a court case over it (he won, this happened all the way back in 1898). So imagine being in that time period, imagine all the discrimination and xenophobia, you can see why the "outsider" term would be used, right? I think this sentinment just continued down to present day.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (19 children)

The meme checks out: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-xinjiang . Birth rate was 1.588 in 2017 and at a similar level in the years before that, 1.069 in 2018, 0.814 in 2019 and so on.

Extra surveillance and repression reportedly started in 2014, mass incarceration in 2017.

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