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France steps up crackdown on Palestine solidarity amid Gaza war (www.972mag.com)

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French authorities have banned demonstrations in support of Gaza, arrested protesters, and moved to dissolve several Palestine advocacy groups.

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[-] faede@mander.xyz 46 points 1 year ago

Wow, this is authoritarian as shit!

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 year ago

France 🤝 Israel
colonial racism

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago

From the article:

Journalist Taha Bouhafs was arrested while covering a protest in Paris on Oct. 14. “There were very violent arrests, people were getting strangled by the police,” Bouhafs told +972. “I was filming this, and at some point the police came toward me and arrested me. I showed them my press card, but they told me I was not doing a journalist’s job, and that I didn’t have any journalist’s equipment — even though I was using my phone.
“They fined me for participating in an illegal demonstration, even though I showed them my press card,” he continued. “They told me: ‘If we see you again at a protest, we will break your legs.'"

This is becoming an existential fight against authoritarianism.

[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

What do they think this will achieve exactly. It won't end well.

[-] stella@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Way to recruit more people for the Palestinian cause!

Censoring peaceful protests really shows how desperate Israel is to control people's thoughts.

[+] Fizz@lemmy.nz -44 points 1 year ago

Palestinians have legitimate reasons to protest but they keep getting mixed in with the "from the river to the sea crowd" remember if your protest allows nazis then it's a nazi protest.

Hard to take them seriously when they act like they are entitled to land that the they lost via conquest after they stuck their nose up at every attempt of negotiation. I haven't seen many Palestinians protesting the government of Gaza.

[-] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

‘From the river to the sea’: where does the slogan come from and what does it mean?

[-] FMT99@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I don't see a ton of human rights protesters in Israel either. Yeah some exist but by far most Israeli voters seem to support the "Palestinians are sub humans" rhetoric at the voting booth.

[-] UrbonMaximus@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago

Somehow I don't think that you're arguing in good faith, but anyway.. There were many pro Palestine protests in Tel Aviv University and up until recently the biggest protests Israel ever had were against the current government. It's also probably not possible to organise anything when you have to run to a shelter every hour to hide from rockets.

[-] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Imagine how much of a bloodthirsty genocidal freak you have to be to casually claim that it’s a totally normal, valid, and morally neutral thing for a population to lose their homes “via conquest”, then compare the people protesting their own ongoing ethnic cleansing by settler colonists to nazis.

This dude would have volunteered to work the gas chambers.

[-] AlexTheTurtle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

There are currently nazis fighting in the Ukrainian army against Russia's imperialist invasion. Would you call the Ukrainian army a nazi army? Maybe the situation calls for us to focus on the state currenlty commiting a genocide against Palestinian people and not on the optics of the protests.

[-] stella@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

remember if your protest allows nazis then it’s a nazi protest.

What are you talking about? How are you going to prevent people from joining a protest on public land?

You must be one of those people who listens to soundbites as though they are gospel. The real world is a little bit more complicated than whatever you have going on in your head.

[+] bioemerl@kbin.social -20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's fucking hilarious seeing communities like this who in the past have been so gung-ho about shit like punching Nazis standing next to the people who want to annihilate the Jews.

You guys don't stand for justice, you just like punching people.

[-] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

The ones that tried to expel and exterminate the Jewish people were white Europeans, you Holocaust denying ghoul. The ones you think “just like punching people” are being beaten and jailed by white Europeans while calling for a cease fire. The people we’re standing shoulder to shoulder with are Jews across the world calling for peace: Jews that you insist can’t exist while a single Palestinian child remains living.

Jews will continue to live in a free Palestine long after the European settler colonial ethnostate called “Israel” is destroyed, and they’ll continue to live in Europe despite Europe’s best efforts to get rid of them.

[-] roastedDeflator@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

You said this:

Jews across the world calling for peace

and it reminded me of them and they are amazing:

Jewish Voice for Peace

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The fuck part of my statement did you see me saying the Holocaust isn't real?

The people we’re standing shoulder to shoulder with are Jews across the world calling for peace

Yeah, no. Some of them are maybe but there is a very definite and real undercurrent of hatred and desire to exterminate the Jews.

I've seen three actual real full blown antisemites in the wild in my life. Full blown bullshit about how Jews control the world and do magic and all sorts of conspiracy crap. All of them doing it in the name of Islam.

Western Nazis totally exist as well. But the West actually keeps them in check.

Jews will continue to live in a free Palestine

And pigs will fly from my ass. Hamas literally founded their group on the principal of getting rid of the Jews and everyone with more than two brain cells sees the writing on the wall.

[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Western Nazis totally exist as well. But the West actually keeps them in check.

The fuck they're kept in check. Actual card carrying Nazis helped build the post-war western "international rules based order." Even today people with similar ethno-nationalist, settler-colonialist, and fascist ideology are at the highest levels of every western government, big inter-government organization, and corporation. They're starting wars and committing genocides left and right, always have and always will, until they're stopped by national liberation movements and normal everyday working people taking a stand.

Whereas Palestinian liberation is about stopping the bloody genocide against the Palestinian people and once again giving them agency over their own lives - for they haven't had any in generations. That's something we can all stand behind.

This website could help to deconstruct the pro-settler and pro-genocide sentiments in your statements. https://decolonizepalestine.com/

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Actual card carrying Nazis helped build the post-war western “international rules based order.” Even today people with similar ethno-nationalist, settler-colonialist, and fascist ideology are at the highest levels of every western government,

You're just unhinged and delusional at this point. No the world isn't run by Nazis. If you think the world is run by Nazi's, whatever information and whatever worldview you have is deeply and fundamentally flawed

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They’re not wrong. The US worked very closely with fascists post WW2. High ranking Nazi officials were recruited to run NATO, NASA, and work in many other agencies. It’s not limited to Nazi’s either but other fascists as well. In Japan the US helped a war criminal become prime minister. This guy was literally in Tojo’s cabinet and was a signatory to the declaration of war against the US. Partnering with fascists is something the US still does to this day.

This history isn’t hidden either and the US doesn’t really deny it. However, it’s not exactly something Americans are taught in school.

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

We're not talking about some nuanced historical take here, we're talking about this guy trying to claim the world is run by Nazis.

Nobody in the west at any high level is running around saying that we should go exterminating all the Jews or the blue-eyed blond haired people are superior to everyone else.

Racist ass Nazi takes are incredibly unpopular and incredibly stigmatized in western culture. The facts of the United States rebuilt Japan and Germany and in the process used their existing leadership has absolutely nothing to do with that.

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

They didn’t claim the world was run by Nazis though. They said people with similar or related ideologies exist in the highest levels of every western government. That’s undeniably true.

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

No they pretty explicitly implied the world was run by Nazis.

I said that the West has the nazi problem pretty well under control. People with explicit That's the ideology are very rare and very much taboo and very much considered bad people.

This guy comes out and says "no you have leaders who are Nazis, you don't have the problem under control"

**Even today people with similar ethno-nationalist, settler-colonialist, and fascist ideology **

And don't bitch about the use of the "similar" weasel word. A Nazi is a Nazi. Ethno nationalist fascism is Nazism by another name and this schmuck thinks the West is still lead by them.

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Explicitly imply is an oxymoron. You can’t accuse someone of making a claim they didn’t make.

I think I see where you’re confused though. Nazism is not the only ethno-nationalist or fascist ideology. Settler colonialism is also not equivalent to fascism or Nazism. These things are related though and people who subscribe to similar ideologies will likely be more sympathetic to Nazism. Thus they’re less likely to take neo-Nazis seriously leading to an actual Nazi problem. However, that doesn’t make them Nazis themselves.

[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I was going to respond with sources, but I see I've hit a nerve by simply alluding to the fact that colonial states are gonna colonize.

It really goes to show how ingrained fascism and white supremacist is in western society, and that because white people in the imperial core materially benefit from this dynamic, they defend it, even as they're shouting to deplatform Nazis.

[-] AlexTheTurtle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

I hate hamas, but Israel is currently committing a genocide against Palestinian people in gaza. We should focus on the action of the so called "only democracy in the middle east". Especially because western governments are supporting israel in its actions.

Do not fall for israeli propaganda. The bombing and murder of innocent civilians is a bad thing. Its bad when hamas does it and bad when israel does it, but hamas is a horrible terrorist group and israel is supposed to be a civilized country. We should expect better from such a powerful country as Israel.

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