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I can understand why governments would push for something like this after 9/11, though it of course goes without saying that this is a totally unacceptable violation of someone's basic rights. It also goes without saying that governments always want more control over their citizens, but what exactly are they so worried might happen, right now, in 2025 or the near future?

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 11 points 19 hours ago

it looks like they're just realizing that they can push it this far and people won't really fight back about it

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Totalitarianism.

People outside Europe doesn't understand how our governments are speed running getting a totalitarian government. More and more aspects of anyone's everyday life are getting controlled everyday.

Here they are already starting a system of garbage bags with nfc tags to have lur garbage controlled.

At the end of the day they are thirsty for power and control.

[–] pirat@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Here they are already starting a system of garbage bags with nfc tags to have our garbage controlled.

Sounds like a great way of getting people to throw their garbage in any place other than the bag...

[–] phase@lemmy.8th.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 21 hours ago

Spain. They have started in some regions. And they are aiming for a national implementation in a few years.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 19 hours ago

Fascism or at least the police state politicians are getting a lot of funding because information is profitable.

[–] TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 day ago

Because there's a surge of fascism and they think they can get it

[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

European elites are worried about losing control, and they are responding by restricting freedoms.

The Palestine/Gaza issue is one concrete example: European elites are very pro-Israel and pro-Genocide. But they have completely failed to control the narrative and European populations are not as pro-Israel as their elites.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 20 hours ago

They might also be getting cocerned about people finding out that elites routine participate in sexual abuse of children.

I don't see how any regime can maintain legitimacy if normies finally grasp the scope of the issue.

They are prepping to rule by force, fuck your consent.

They will rape children and jack shit you can do about it.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 19 hours ago

This has been ongoing for decades now, nothing new. They try every other year or so and they only need a single win

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 23 hours ago

It's definitely due the erosion of living conditions and increasing discontent of the people towards the state as a way to crackdown on criticism and discontent.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Their paid right wing politicians are getting the upper hand so they are preparing to go full Fascist again. The Liberals are paving the way so the Fascists have everything set for authoritarianism when they win the election.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We are realistically looking at losing between 200 million and 1 billion people over the next 20 years due to climate-change induced famine and heat stroke. Those are realistic estimates. More optimistic scenarios could make that number less, more pessimistic ones could reduce it. We are on the eve of what future histories may refer to as the Great Hunger.

Even for those lucky enough to not live in regions being rendered uninhabitable, the quality of life for the average citizen is collapsing. The developing world will experience mass famine. The developed world will experience food prices not seen since the advent of mechanized agriculture. Home prices will continue to become more unaffordable, as more and more homes are destroyed by rapidly increasing natural disasters. In the US, tens of millions of homeowners are going to have their primary asset, their homes, rendered completely worthless after they become uninsurable. Governments can try to prop up the insurance market if they want, but not even national governments have the resources to subsidize an insurance market in an era of spiraling natural catastrophes.

Leaders around the world see a future of chaos, famine, and strife. Really all the Four Horseman are coming out. In developed countries, leaders fear millions of desperate poor people from developing countries trying to cross their borders. Internally, they fear violence by their own populations, who are seeing their standard of living rapidly collapse.

The borders are being locked down. The walls are going up. People everywhere are being increasingly surveilled and controlled. Political leaders might be cynical enough to deny climate change for political gain, but that doesn't mean they're ignorant to the actual future we're running headfirst into. Technology is also advancing, allowing "mass shooter" type individuals to potentially cause much larger acts of destruction in the future.

Most governments would prefer to maintain power by actually improving the lives of their citizens. That's the safest and most moral approach. But in a world of rapidly spiraling climate change, governments simply are not capable of on improving the lives of their citizens. They can't even maintain the standard of living their citizens already have. So, the leaders have to turn to more brute force methods to retain control. Best to be loved. But if you can't be loved, then at least be feared.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who's "we"?

https://www.un.org/en/global-issues/population

"The world's population is projected to continue growing for the next 50 to 60 years, peaking at approximately 10.3 billion by the mid-2080.[sic]"

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Those projections assume agricultural yields have no effect on human well being or numbers. They don't factor in climate induced bread basket collapse.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Oh I don't dispute that we can only reach and sustain such vastly inflated populations without significant fossil fuel inputs, I just want to know your source. Are you implying the UN forgot to take agriculture into account?

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes. That's exactly it. They assume business as usual. And your source is a landing page, not an actual source. And even then, that site doesn't discuss any effect of climate change on population projections. You just blindly linked to the UN's population agency.

For every degree of Celsius warming, farm yields of major staple crops decline 16-20%. We're already at 1.5C warming, and the rate of warming is rapidly increasing. We're looking at another 0.5-1.5C increase by 2050. There's no way this doesn't lead to mass famine on a Biblical scale.

This paper in Nature predict 4-14% in total global food production by 2050 due to climate effects. And these are using the RPC models, which we're learning are far too conservative in their predictions. I'm sure if everyone in the world went vegan tomorrow, we could absorb a 10% decline in agricultural production, but not a chance in Hell of that happening.

As far as the UN, they do work on climate change, but their population projections don't factor it into account. Here is a link to the 2024 population prospects summary

When you pull open that PDF, you won't find mention of climate change being incorporated into their methodology at all. As far as I'm aware, the UN's figures are purely based on population pyramids, demographic factors, birth rate projections, etc. Demographers don't like looking at factors beyond just population numbers, gender mixes, and age distributions. Other things, like war and economic policy, can certainly affect population numbers, but those are generally considered too unpredictable to properly model. The population projections you see are purely demographic models.

As far as I know, agricultural yields are never even part of their methodology. They look purely at what ages people are and how many children people of different ages have. They generally assume that resources will be available for those who want to have children. Do you have any evidence that they do take climate effects on agricultural yields into account when making their numbers?

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[–] pathos@lemmy.ml 78 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's due to Palantir and co, lobbying various European governments in recent years. Look at which EU governments are Palantir's clients.

[–] ell1e@leminal.space 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's sadly led to the EU has actually announced a copy of the UK Online Safety Act for 2026, as far as I can tell: https://leminal.space/post/25089051/17854998 It's received less press coverage than the whole Chat Control thing.

Peter Theil is the #1 most dangerous man in the world right now. Need Luigi #2.

[–] mufasio@lemmy.ml 99 points 1 day ago (19 children)
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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (19 children)

The genocide in Gaza and the massive response against it made them realize that they no longer had the ability to control the narrative despite their best efforts to spread Zionist propaganda. The so called "free world" has always relied on being able to sway public opinion and manufacture consent through media when necessary. Now that it's stopped working because of people's access to media on the internet that contradicts their claims, they decided it's time to push a more restrictive regime in order to deal with the issue.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Authoritarianism

[–] RoombaRehab@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Centralization tends be self-reinforcing. Social unrest might cause the public to demand more safety measures, which usually come at the expense of freedoms. I’d also wager that the lower the level of trust in government is, the more they want to impose control and authority.

And in the EU specifically it is because lobbyists have been working overtime to try and pass chat control: https://borncity.com/win/2023/09/27/european-union-which-lobby-organizations-are-behind-the-plans-for-chat-control/

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[–] ell1e@leminal.space 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

For those here who didn't know specifics, as far as I know the EU has announced in July 2025 guidelines, set to come into effect until 2026, that seem to basically be the same as the UK online safety act:

https://www.eunews.it/en/2025/07/14/the-eu-launches-an-online-age-verification-app-pilot-project-in-five-member-states-including-italy/

https://www.mlex.com/mlex/articles/2368265/online-services-get-up-to-12-months-to-apply-age-verification-eu-guidelines-say

https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/dae/redirection/document/118226

These guidelines say, among other things, check the last link: "Where the provider of the online platform has identified medium risks to minors on their platform as established in its risk review [...] and those risks cannot be mitigated by less restrictive measures. The Commission considers this will be the case where the risk is not high enough to require access restriction based on age verification but not low enough that it would be appropriate to not have any access restriction [...]" And "Self-declaration is not considered to be an appropriate age-assurance measure as further explained below."

If you don't want the Online Safety Act in the EU, call or e-mail your representative now. If you enter your country here, it shows a list: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/#delegates As far as I can tell, unless it's reversed this will be coming soon. The clock is ticking.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

My representatives don't care. They want it. They are the ones thirsty for power. The only solution is to completely remove them from power. Any letter sent to them is nothing more than toilet paper for these people.

[–] ell1e@leminal.space 1 points 19 hours ago

Still worth reminding them some of us will vote them out unless they walk this age check nonsense back. If thousands of people do so, it can be relevant.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are gearing up for war.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 20 hours ago

Another tactic they could use if their rule gets challenged.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

Falls somewhere between people not being cool with genocide and greed.

[–] Soot@hexbear.net 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a European, it's been a long time coming. I would say tide turned in favour of it and both Ukraine and Israel-Gaza have been important factors - Most countries suddenly decided they didn't have enough sway over public support for Western imperialism. And the big part of that has been the internet.

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[–] network_switch@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I do think it's Gaza. For decades until the last couple of years, the plight of Palestinians have been mostly ignored. The whole of Europe and algosphere in the middle east have had active or passive public approval for middle east policy for the past century. Vietnam war reporting soured the public on far east colonialism and war reporting went softball afterwards and that softball unraveled in the 2010s and now Gaza is the modern day Vietnam war for reporting on disregard for life from pretty much ourselves. Israel is an ally of our countries.

So now government policy is incredibly misaligned with public opinion now and what was a steady grind at enacting internet control is suddenly a mad rush for governments. Israel is a line in the sand for the powerful like Vietnam was in the 60/70s was for media control/influence

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