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well what a coincidence, i certainly do not believe there are innocent israelis.
Israel needs what Germany got after WW2. A purge of racists and fascists, and trials to punish war criminals.
Sadly contrary to popular belief Germany put many ex-Nazi top military officials in government positions after the war was over.
except many of them got integrated into the structures of both germanies, at least in the east they underwent some "sanitization".
regular people in israel are told constantly that muslim people hate them because they are jewish. it's the narrative that is used every time they hear about rockets flying over. they live in the old testament. they think this is the only way that things could ever be, because of some curse put on them by god.
the middle east needs atheism.
The French who colonized Algeria were secular and they committed horrific atrocities against the Algerians (also the other African nations, but as little read as I am about the extent of the atrocities committed against the people of Algeria, I am even less so about their other colonies).
The British were also not motivated by Christianity when they committed atrocities against the people of India.
It's colonialism that is the source of the violence against dehumanized populations.
yea, obviously colonialism is the core issue. wizards are wet. but i think there would be less power behind colonialists if the generally accepted moral compass placed more value on human life
regular people in israel
They are Euroanglo-Zionazi Settler-Colonialists.
Euro, because most of them are European, most previously came from Eastern Europe, and on top of that, the white settlers dominate the political, social and economic aspects of the entity. Nowadays they come from all over, but the largest influx is still from Europe, the aforementioned dominating group is the same.
Anglo, because USonian, Australian, Canadian, etc.. settlers just couldn't get enough out of settling in land that don't belong to them, so they want a take-two.
Zionist, because the settlers needed a crutch to justify their presence, their occupation and the existence of the entity, the settlers chose Judaism for their symbolism (don't get it twisted, Zionism is not a religious belief), and bastardized the living hell out of it to create an artificial identity of their own and to purposefully conflate the religion with their racist, white supremacist, colonial beliefs.
Nazi, because Zionism is the successor to Nazism (again, nothing to do with Judaism).
Settler, because they're occupiers forcing their presence upon the indigenous' land via expulsion, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc.. to make way for more settlers.
Colonialist, because they're stealing the land's resources from its rightful people, because they are trying to canonize the Indigenous' food, art, way of life, history, etc.. as part of their own superficial "culture", because they're revising history to justify even more settler-colonialist behaviors described here.
I'm saying all of this because there are no "regular people" in the entity. At best, they are reservists. To monolithize the Euroanglo-Zionazi entity with every other country from the "Middle East", then suggest that religion (a HUGE contributing factor to the actual culture of West Asia) should be erased from the collective consciousness of Levantine and Gulf Muslims, Jews (not European Zionazis) and Christians whom at one point co-existed just fine* without the West's meddling, all because of the actions of settler-colonialists, is downright ignorant, knowing all of the previously mentioned descriptors.
* There were some minor problems (relatively speaking), but none of them justify Westerners playing dress-up and going into land that don't belong to them.
Israelis are mostly Atheists. They have been the worst disaster a long time. The middle east does not need atheism. They need decolonization.
And that's why every zionist is a legitimate target. They are fascists and deserve no quarter.
Hamas went to great lengths to avoid killing children. Let's keep those excluded.
No child chooses to be a bigot, a zionist or a fascist. It's environmental.
We're not the monsters!
They need denazification.
Without de-nazification of the US first it's impossible.
That starts and ends with the Euroanglo-zionazis fucking off where they belong to, or facing resistance. They've had decades upon decades to do so.
Where denazification should actually take place is within their respective home countries from they actually come from. But sadly none of this seems to be ever happening soon, or at all.
I don't think they should be sent back before at least being forced to see their crimes with their own eyes. Denazification is much harder without that first step of shoving their nose in their crimes, they need to see it.
And then they can go back to Europe.
Why should the indigenous have to wait until the entire sex abusing lunatic Euroanglo-Zionazi society are done looking at their own crimes against humanity, when they already have for 90+ years and already have livestreamed their own warcrimes that include their own laughter before for the entire world to see?
Descending from the Discovery Doctrine, then Manifest Destiny, then Lebensraum, then to today's Greater "Israel", we should understand that the West never learned their lesson, and never intend to do so today or tomorrow, not Germany, not France, not the U.S., and especially not the Zionazi settlers. Even if denazification were to take place in the way that you suggest, it doesn't change the fact that they are settlers, occupiers and a whole lot among them sex criminals, all currently occupying the land rightfully belonging to Palestinians.
It's not even an ultra position to want settlers out and to want landback (even both of these and Nuremberg would be too kind of a punishment given the depravity of the entity and its vile society).
If I haven't stressed this enough or hinted at this, I urge you to consider focusing on the liberation of the occupied, not on solving the occupier's depravity.
Without denazification (or mass executions I guess) they are always going to be a threat. You send these freaks back to Europe without reeducation and they'll rally a fucking crusade behind them to "take back Jerusalem."
The only options are to either make them not want to colonize anymore, so denazification, or to just kill them all.
Pragmatically speaking, that's why denazification efforts should be done at the source of all of Global South's miseries: in the West, outside the occupation.
The entity is literally on life support from the West, because the entity IS the West, it is the West's liberalism at its peak projected on to West Asia (and that's not an exaggeration, this is why I deliberately use the term "Euroanglo-Zionazi").
Take China as an example, reeducation efforts didn't occur in Syria or Iraq to curb the thousands (IIRC) of Xinjiang opportunist terrorists (and domestic) joining CIA's ISIS, but rather it was done directly in Xinjiang, with some degree of success. Of course the deindustrialized West won't follow this example because it absolutely needs Nazism and in general, liberalism, to sustain itself.
The point is, if liberalism continues to be the modus operandi in the West, settler-colonies and other forms of imperialism won't stop being a thing. This is why liberation of the Global South from its Western shackles should be the prime focus, comrade.
I didn't mean to imply they should be completely reeducated before they're sent back to Europe, merely that they need to see with their own eyes what their colonialism has done. Right now they get a filtered view of what they are allowed to see, even soldiers are mostly behind screens to operate their tanks and terror drone army. They're alienated from their crimes.
It won't be good enough to just show videos and interviews, they'll always believe it's fake. They need a hands-on demonstration.
China's task was actually easier than the denazification that Israelis need, and required totally different intervention. Extremists from Iraq and Syria are, honestly, far less damaged than the Zionists.
I'm being optimistic that we don't need to kill them all, but the level of reeducation they need is basically unprecedented.
After shoving their noses in it, they have to dig every body out of the rubble.
the problem is that the nazi-ish people are accusing the gazans of being nazis.
That's why they need denazification. Much like the Germans they need to be given a thorough tour of the concentration camps.
As a start.
americans need something similar and that has as much chance happening in the united states as it does isreal.
Why would they need to tour what they likely had a hand in building and running during their mandatory military duty? Instead of empathy you’d merely inspire nostalgia.
A lot of them simply haven't actually seen what is happening or they think it's all lies. Rubbing their noses in it would have at least some effect.
But that's just the start.
They also need to have their government abolished and all their war criminals tried for their crimes.
A lot of them simply haven't actually seen what is happening or they think it's all lies.
Unfortunately that is not true. The problem is that they do see it, and they like it. They applaud it, they get off on it.
They organize parties to watch the bombings, they have hundreds of telegram channels proudly sharing some of the most horrific and psychopathic atrocities and congratulating themselves for it. They are ecstatic about how much terror and death and suffering they are inflicting. Genocidal rhetoric is completely and totally normalized in the "Israeli" mainstream. And that's only the tip of the iceberg compared to what is shared and expressed in private.
This is not a society that is unaware of what is happening. This is a society that knows exactly what it is doing, loves it, and in a bloodthirsty frenzy cheers for more, demands more. Even the Germans knew, despite their weaselly denials and claims of ignorance after the war, what was happening. It is impossible that they didn't know, but at least back then their denials could be spun as semi-believable because there were no videos and livestreams of the atrocities. There is no such plausible denial today.
And what do they see? They see what the government wants them to see, they don't see interviews with Palestinians or humanitarian workers or doctors. They need to turn off internal Israeli media and watch Al Jazeera or DemocracyNow for that. What they're seeing is propaganda, not reality.
They're not unaware of what's happening, per se, but they have been programmed by Israeli propaganda and only made aware of what Israel wants them to know. The start of deprogramming them would be to give them an unfiltered look at Gaza.
And then the reeducation can begin. Don't get me wrong, these sick freaks need serious intervention beyond just a tour of the concentration camp.
But I really think they need that first step.
These are people who burn olive groves to make it impossible for Palestinians to live on their own land. Who go with assault rifles up to unarmed Palestinians, threaten them, assault them, kick them out of their homes to steal them and live in them. They are people who protest when the government tries to prosecute prison guards who rape Palestinian prisoners to death. They are people who share with each other videos of Palestinians being murdered as a form of entertainment. They post pictures of dead Palestinians to laugh and mock. They are people who not only feel safe but completely unashamed to say openly on TV and on social media that Palestinian babies should be killed before they grow up. They are people who go to loot aid trucks, to burn and destroy food for Gaza so that more Gazans will starve do death, and when they do this they take their children with them so that the children can joyfully participate in this "family activity". This is not the government doing this, it is regular "civilians".
The start of deprogramming them would be to give them an unfiltered look at Gaza.
They have an unfiltered look at Gaza, that's the point. The IOF are the ones proudly filming themselves committing atrocities, looting and blowing up homes, sniping women and children, desecrating mosques, churches, even graves, and then they share and post these videos for Israeli society to see and cheer and celebrate and feel proud of what they are doing. Giving them a tour of a concentration camp where they tortured and murdered Palestinians is like giving them a victory lap.
I repeat: They see what they are doing and they like what they are seeing. They feel justified and righteous, and even the ones who are not openly celebrating it, or who feel somewhat squeamish and prefer not to look, are still happy that it is happening because it brings them one step closer to the complete ethnic cleansing and theft of the entire land of Palestine that they believe is their God given right.
And yes this is a product of propaganda. Generations of propaganda that has produced an entire society of sadistic, genocidal psychopaths. But it's not just the government. It starts in the home. It starts in the schools. And in the religious institutions. And the media. The entire society from top to bottom feeds them from birth with genocidal dehumanizing hate for Palestians and for Muslims as a whole, with racist supremacist propaganda, with the messianic "Greater Israel" narrative, and with a cult of perpetual victimhood that justifies any and all genocidal acts as "self-defense".
The first step isn't to show them what they already support and know is happening (many of them having participated in it themselves). The first step is to comprehensively defeat them and dismantle the entire genocidal project.
The first step isn’t to show them what they already support and know is happening (many of them having participated in it themselves). The first step is to comprehensively defeat them and dismantle the entire genocidal project.
Sorry, to clarify, I mean it's the first step in their reeducation. This would presumably happen after Israel has been abolished and their Nazi army was defeated.
Time to use the consent manufacturing machine for good, instead of evil!
Last week, a Palestinian bus driver in Israel was attacked by a group of Jewish youths shouting "death to Arabs"
Last week, a Palestinian bus driver in Israel was attacked by a group of combat-aged Israeli males shouting "death to Arabs"
As always
The rest of the world don't believe it, but knowing it.