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After the recent struggle session which resulted in

isntrael

CW: It's pretty self indulgent considering the gravity of the actual situation.

I am left disquieted due to various people who represented zionists positions directly or held space for these. Particularly (but not only) those who are admins and mods. People who think the above image is a "holocaust flag". And otherwise seem to have conjured a fictious form of anti semitism, just for deploying here.

Well OK maybe it is allowed to give people a week or a month to mull things over and reconsider their positions. But do we come back to it? Or should I just seethe with resentment, hold a grudge, and snipe about other things going forward?

On the other hand, the majority & plurality were on the correct side of things. So that's good. I just... Idk I don't expect hegemony but this is literally such a simple issue. I don't know how anyone who feels different could feel comfortable on this site. it's like learning mods/admins are triggered by a guillotine.


In some ways it could be "the fighting is so fierce because the stakes are so low". (The stakes = emojis)

But on the other hand, the stakes are so huge and this is just the scale of fighting that's near at hand.

Nobody ever accused me of being perfect and well behaved so maybe I'm just throwing stones from a glass house. I explicitly must consent to whatever critique in that regard.


I would like to suggest that on the new user signup page the question be changed to read

What are your views on GSM / LGBTQ rights, racial justice, animal liberation, isntrael, and similar movements?

Although I have no idea what sort of answers people make to these. So maybe it's stupid.


Fucking shit. People are fucking being fucking murdered right at this fucking moment.

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[โ€“] Beetle@hexbear.net 66 points 4 months ago

Itโ€™s incomprehensible how mods are super sensitive to nazi dogwhistles, but regarding outright zionist positions it takes site-wide outrage to ban someone.

It confirms the US/European chauvinist bias on the site where mods and users are way more forgiving to those users with zionists brainworms than to arab users who do not share our sensitivities to US/European style nazi dogwhistles.

[โ€“] Blakey@hexbear.net 51 points 4 months ago (5 children)

While we're at it, can we please not have anyone in a position of authority who would call it a "holocaust emoji"? Because that is some hardcore genocide apologist shit and it shouldn't be welcome here.

https://hexbear.net/comment/6421651

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[โ€“] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 47 points 4 months ago (13 children)

That "holocaust flag" thing is probably the worst take I've ever seen on here

Just absolute dogshit

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[โ€“] inTheShadowOf@hexbear.net 47 points 4 months ago

Some of the comments in that thread were incredibly distressing to read initially, but then seeing people double down was so awful. How do you watch a genocide go for two years and still say things like that?

[โ€“] LangleyDominos@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Since we're going to re-litigate this whole thing again, just keep in mind of something. We have at least one person on this site who is being starved. They have had actual bombs from IDF dropped on their house and neighborhood. Everything normal, including being able to regularly post on this site, has been taken from them (someone posts on their behalf iirc).

No emoji is going to make them feel better. The fight for their life and the cause of their pain is far removed from whatever happened or will happen on this site.

[โ€“] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

No emoji is going to make them feel better.

True, but that's not really the issue here, is it.

The issue is that certain people on this site put the feelings of genociders above the lives of the genocided.

And they deserve to be called out for that.

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[โ€“] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 31 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Personally, I think it's completely asinine when mods remove those Palestinian mutual aids because they posted in comms other than /c/mutual_aid or /c/chapotraphouse. Oh boo hoo, one of them posted their Gofundme in /c/science or /c/earth. They could spam the entire site with their Gofundmes and I wouldn't give a fuck and neither should everyone else.

[โ€“] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago

I was asked by a large amount of users to keep the mutual aid posts in the mutual aid community. I DMed every person that I removed the posts from apologizing and explaining.

The users said they have no ability to monetarily contribute and had blocked the mutual aid community.

If you and others think that the users should instead block the people asking for mutual aid and we let the mutual aid posts be put anywhere that is a change I can make

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[โ€“] durings@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Deeply unserious craKKKer website

Who would have thought theyโ€™d just try to move on from that horrendous mess and pretend like everythings fine like a bunch of liberals, the very thing they claim to despise? Oh wait, I did

[โ€“] Hermes@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago

At least most of the users here have taken the correct position. In all honesty, I think that most non-mod users have held this position for a while (at least as long as I have had an account) but have been afraid to advocate for their position due to moderation.

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[โ€“] CredibleBattery@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

it's been 4 days and it still hurts, there's a Z-shaped hole in my heart that drugs and alcohol just won't fill

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[โ€“] Hestia@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasnโ€™t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions

edit: apparently they called it that once and then apologies about it, the person who originally said it wasn't a mod though

If anyone has a problem with how the mod team operates, maybe they should volunteer?

fucking shit. People are fucking being murdered right at this fucking moment

Maybe we should stop arguing about a fucking emoji then. At the end of the day itโ€™s all performative. Maybe put your energy someplace else, organize, protest, or redacted-1 redacted-2 instead

[โ€“] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (27 children)

I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasnโ€™t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions

The first person who called it a "holocaust emoji" was not a mod, but a mod/admin did pick it up and used it.

So you're just wrong here.

Maybe we should stop arguing about a fucking emoji then. At the end of the day itโ€™s all performative. Maybe put your energy someplace else, organize, protest, or instead

It's no more "performative" than you pretending that you don't care and are above it all shrug-outta-hecks

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[โ€“] T34_69@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasnโ€™t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions

I don't really have the energy to dig into this again but people should know that this is actually not true. A site admin called it the holocaust emoji and then apologized for it later, calling it a glib comment. I'm not trying to target anyone or call anyone out in particular, it's just that it's an alarming echo of Zionist talking points that I encounter regularly IRL and I think it's an indication that some of the people running this site need to self-critique.

Which again, if the emoji is really not a big deal then why the intense pushback and accusations of anti-semitism over it? And it turns out, a few dozen pixels were actually a lightning rod for reactionary tendencies, I mean, charitably speaking, it revealed that some people with mod powers are accidentally tailing Zionism, which, I don't understand how that's not concerning in August 2025.

[โ€“] durings@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because pushback from minority users with actual support and evidence = wow you must be making things up + wasting your time when you could be doing REAL activism!! No way you can multitask

But itโ€™s okay when they do it, they must know better than us because crakkker

[โ€“] T34_69@hexbear.net 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Online crakkkers shoving Zionist talking points down your throat: No big deal, recreational shitposting

Online em/poc pushing back: a complete waste of everyone's time and fuck you, go outside!!!

[โ€“] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasnโ€™t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions

https://hexbear.net/comment/6421651

Admin and moderator of c/slop, wtf are you talking about?

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[โ€“] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

The funny thing is that the star is not even the star of David but an identical symbol called the seal of Solomon. As far as I'm aware, the star of David is just the seal of Solomon used within a Jewish context, and since the Zionist entity isn't remotely related to Judaism because Zionism isn't Judaism, then that pretty much seals the deal in terms of whether it's the star of David or the seal of Solomon, doesn't it?

And unlike the star of David, the seal of Solomon has been put on flags before. Here's some examples:

And here's perhaps the most Jewish coded seal of Solomon:

The blue and white makes you think this is actually a star of David, but nope, it's just a blue and white themed seal of Solomon. Judaism has nothing to do with the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service. There's a grand total of 55 Jewish people in a country of more than a million.

[โ€“] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 32 points 4 months ago

Just because zionism and judaism aren't equivalent, doesn't mean they're not related. It's a Jewish supremacist project and the flag is supposed to represent "the Jewish state". It seems disingenuous to claim that this symbol isn't there in a "Jewish context".

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[โ€“] CutieBootieTootie@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago

Death to "Israel" isntrael

[โ€“] Awoo@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I do not think it really matters.

That's like, 80% of my take on this.

[โ€“] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hear hear, well said. It's weird how it just... went away.

[โ€“] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago (3 children)

i think there used to be some legitimacy to worrying about burning the symbol of a minoritized group even in an appropriated context as isntrael but the entity has so thoroughly delegitimized itself even in the eyes of liberals that the shield no longer functions.

[โ€“] Beetle@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago (6 children)

The initial argument was flawed as well. The genocide flag has been used before 7 october to raze villages, burn peopleโ€™s homes and kill peopleโ€™s children as a warning to leave and not come back. That flag has primarily stood for murder and genocide since the inception of the โ€˜zionist stateโ€™. Just because most USians and Europeans only found out about the genocidal nature of the zionist entity 2 years ago does not mean that they were right to connect that flag to Judaism.

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[โ€“] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Feeling like a combination of Danny Glover with the pizzas and the "I guess we're doing circles now" guy atm

[โ€“] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 32 points 4 months ago

I'm just glad everyone is having fun

isntrael

[โ€“] LeonTreatsky@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We need a good purge of the zionist mods/admins. We're still infected.

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