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I'm going to be in the market for an electric car in the next year or two... I was considering an Ioniq as an option but now I'm not so sure. I'm having trouble finding any EV that doesn't have a massive monitor in place of buttons, doesn't have some kind of subscription, and isn't a privacy nightmare. Not sure what I'll do when the time comes to actually buy...
This is part of why I’m keeping my ICE car for as long as possible.
Companies have gone insane with greed over EVs and I will not participate.
Nothing like this with my Leaf, if you can live with a chademo connector.
The one I got has capactive buttons for a lot of things and physical buttons for temperature control/flow as well as volume. It still has 5 subscriptions, which you can opt out of and "disable" the connected services entirely, that said I am unsure if it truly disables it.
I instead opted for the mobile app remote start subscription and using home assistant to control it with the API to prevent having to use their awful app which also requires full precise location access to run.
Fun thing is I was considering Ioniq 5 and VW ID4 at the time and this article + the recent VW charging for throttle made me a lot happier with my purchase choice. Subaru still has an awful privacy policy but at least its slightly better than most.
There are usually a few fuses you can pull that disable a lot of the connected services.
Yeah I considered it. That said I use the home assistant integration to make my car charge at slowest speed needed to timely charge it overnight for better bsttery health and I have it schedule remote start at 4:55 only when I am at work and the temperature is extremely hot or cold. Those smarter things has made me a little happier with the loss of privacy.
I guess I just got lucky, the added features didn't run off the same fuse as the telemetry part. Which is kinda strange.
Yeah I read Toyota made them combined in modern cars. Toyota also designed a lot with this car so I passed on this for now. If the convenient stuff is ever gone I may opt for it.
Fuck! I've always liked Hyundai, and that model has been high on the list for that 'maybe someday' when I can afford and have the means to actually charge an EV (hard to do when you're stuck in an open apartment parking lot.
If they're pulling shit like this, that'll be a hard no.
...tad off topic, but what are some of the EVs on the less enshittified end of the spectrum?
…tad off topic, but what are some of the EVs on the less enshittified end of the spectrum?
my neighbor got a honda prologue in october and likes it. apparently it's a chevy platform but it's honda tweaks. good sound system and acceleration.
Ioniq 5 has also apparently been having issues with their ICCU (integrated charging control unit) that leaves the car immobilized until it's replaced. Replacement parts for the ICCU are sometimes months out.
I don't know, but it seems like all manufacturers are using EVs as an opportunity to experiment with user hostile software. Not sure if there's an 'analog' electric car you can get.
Yeah it sucks, I hate everything have a sim car and internet. I hate the disclaimer agreement that starts when I drive.
My EV knows there is an update but wants me to deliver vua usb and will not stop telling me about it. They also notify you mid drive that the T&Cs are updated, but you cnt agree while driving and csnt manually find the prompt again.
What about the Chinese brands? BYD and such.
Haven't seen them up close, but from what I gather they're trying to out-Tesla Tesla by building AI into everything (and doing it better, but I'm not a fan of this crap, whether it's from an American company, a European company, a Korean company or a Chinese company).
Well I know LLMs are currently hated, but a quick Google seems to indicate most of their AI integration has to do with driver systems and such, which I don't believe has the same ethical issues for most people? (If you just dislike using it, I'm sure they're optional / can be disabled). Reason I ask is because I'm currently checking out what car to buy.
Chevy Bolt is may be less sexy, but super reliable. Mine has close to 50k on it, and zero issues after the battery swap 5 or 6 years ago. Still get ~300 miles in good weather.
I never once thought I would ever hear Chevy and reliable in the same sentence. Having unfortunately owned a few Chevy ICE's myself.
+1 for the Chevy Bolt. I've got the 2023 EUV, absolutely love it.
However, I've heard that the newer lines are dropping Apple CarPlay & Android Auto support. Which would be a hard no from me.
The used market for EVs is kinda crazy cheap right now though. To OP: I'd highly suggest looking for a used 2023 Chevy Bolt when you're ready.
Yup, 2020 bolt owner here. Bought it used after the recalls for cheapish. It's ugly, but nice to drive and pretty dang practical. Plus it has actual buttons and knobs for AC and volume! Just wish it charged faster for the occasional road trip.
Dang. I was interested in the Hyundai Casper were it to ever reach the USA...
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