Blue states should go ahead with plans to redistrict regardless of what happens. Play for the political landscape you have, not the political landscape you want. The way maps are already gerrymandered nets Republicans 16 seats in the House.
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CA, if passed, will only be triggered IF a republican state goes ahead. At least that’s how I understand it.
Correct. That said, I’ve yet to see the actual text that is being proposed. I’m having a hard time finding that.
I think it’s still being drafted, to be ready for a special election.
Blue States simply won't do this, because they are not part of a coherent national political project.
They'll bluff and then hope Republicans fold.
I'm hoping that, with the dismal polling for Democrats, the ones who want a future in politics, like Newsom, are recognizing they need to be tougher.
Maybe I'll kick the Hopium habit if/when we're no longer conspicuously moving toward a dictatorship.
I am just super not excited with the new rhetoric you guys are already having about Gavin Newsom being awesome. Newsom has been pretty not awesome for a long time and I fear liberals are going to want to back him in the next election because of this crap.
To be clear, I think he’s in the right on this issue.
I'm very lukewarm on Newsom, and sincerely hope he's never a Democrat candidate for president. That said, griping about his shortcomings when he's on the cusp of doing the right thing is counterproductive.
Whats counterproductive is trying to do pragmatism with the democrats when that has consistently failed in horrific ways for the last four decades. “Griping about his shortcomings” dude, that makes it sound like this guy hasn’t done monsterous failings. Shortcomings is such a watered down way to describe this guy.
My hope is that someone awesome sees that even someone as bad as newsom can get support by just fighting back a little and then starts fighting back. Newsom wouldn’t be getting the attention he is if the dems were so spineless to begin with.
Yes. The way he is handling this is actually good, and how the democrats should have been handling their political battles as soon and they realized trump was gaining motion.
But the democrats are a combination of lazy and stupid and corrupt that they didn’t care enough or were too incompetent to stop literal fascism so they just didn’t do it. Nice to see someone kind of stepping up for a change.
Toward? Um...
the ones who want a future in politics, like Newsom, are recognizing they need to be tougher.
They're recognizing they need to cuddle up to TPUSA and the AIPAC lobby. Hence Newsom's choice of podcast guests.
Don't know how to tell you this, but the guy making the rounds on conservative podcasts probably isn't who you want leading the Democrats
I didn't say I want him to lead the democrats, I said I want him to gerrymander California.
Why is that a bad thing? Should Democrats stay in their echo chamber and Republicans stay in theirs?
It's a bad thing because they're doing it to pander to conservatives, not challenge their beliefs. Folks like Sanders, AOC and Mandami are welcome to go on conservative talk shows, but neolibs need to fuck off.
This whole 'reach across the aisle"schtick that the Democrats have been doing for the past 30 years clearly isn't working, and has only dragged the country further and further to the right. He doesn't go out and challenge their views, he tells them why they are gonna love what he has planned for the future.
There is no point in preaching to the already locked-in. You need to find converts in enemy territory.
Jesus Christ you people will chase Republicans if you have to bring the Cheneys on the stage to do it.
Oh wait!
They already did that, lost, and now their bots keep insisting on doing the same thing and expecting different results!
Calm down. Appealing across the board gives you access to potential new voters. This has nothing to do with Cheney... You want millions of voters, not one vote.
The last election was a clusterfuck loss due to many father's. Saying it was just down to Liz Cheney is ridiculous. You had a bumbling old President. A late switcheroo. A black female candidate. Not to mention a racist ex-president who has a knack for swooping up the lazy, the crazy and the disaffected. Cheney didn't lose the election for the Dems. People just staying at home did.
CA is moving ahead. It will be on a special election ballot in November.
Newsom "called for" a ballot item to answer whether the state legislature should begin to form a committee to consider redrawing districts by... 202(?) Some legislators think they have enough votes to put the item on the ballot. No official word on what that ballot item to tell the legislature to begin the process will look like, of course. And there's ample opportunity for Republicans to run a bunch of negative ads, for the courts to interfere, and for the national legislature to intercede.
So they've telegraphed a punch two years in advance, while their opposition has tanks camped out in LA for over a month.
The wise man plants a tree knowing he may never rest under its shade.
The best time for California to redistrict itself was 2006. The second best time is now, not ten years from now.
So since it's not perfect you won't support it. You are not a wise man.
There's nothing to support. They're not going to do anything
Based on what? Your word. Excuse me if I don't think your cynical, self-defeating word means anything.
Being a cynic is easy - you don't have to actually do anything. You can just whine and complain. What happens when some progress is actually made? Oh, you just whine and complain that it's not the right kind of progress. Too slow, not enough, whatever.
Society is a collective and shitheads like you drag us down.
But that’s how this stuff starts. Someone gets the ball rolling, and that’s what happened yesterday.
Dudes just a cynic moving the goalposts so they can wallow in misery. The redistricting could magically happen tomorrow and they'd still be complaining that it's too little, too late and we're all doomed.
Chicken Littles. They don't want to solve anything, just constantly complain that the sky is falling. The equivalent of someone in a video shrieking instead of helping solve the problem at hand. Creates a lot of stress for others but that's about it.
I bet CA goes through.
They’re proposing some conditional logic in their legislation. If others do ____, then CA does ____.
If the other states do nothing, then CA does nothing.
They’re proposing some conditional logic in their legislation. If others do ____, then CA does ____.
Ah, yes. They're modeling it after the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, another famously effective piece of collaborative interstate legislation.
If the other states do nothing, then CA does nothing.
States have been gerrymandering themselves since the 17th century. Texas already pulled this out-of-cycle redistricting shit as recently as 2003, ffs. Its already happened. All the CA Dems are managing in this is to make clear that they're bluffing.
One of those things triggers after a bunch of states fight long hard battles to update their constitutions. The other one triggers as soon as a single opponent gerrymanders.
It’s also worth noting that CA has only been free of gerrymanders for a little over a decade. The’ve gerrymandered before and they can do it again.
The other one triggers as soon as a single opponent gerrymanders.
Again, the gerrymandering happened two decades ago. This is mopping up.
There's nothing about the interstate compact that is ineffective, the legislation has been passed in many places, rather the triggers are famously not met and the conservative party is famously opposed.
This is clear evidence that if the opposition party fights, they can win. I'm heartbroken that it's taken this much suffering of people with little political defense to show an example but we've made it.
I pray to whatever thing(/s) that might be out there that Democrats will take this example and fight like an opposition party should going forward.
Even if it's selfishly motivated. This strategy will get you votes. See the republicans actions for the past decades
you were saying something about earning votes i believe
This is clear evidence that if the opposition party fights, they can win. I'm heartbroken that it's taken this much suffering of people with little political defense to show an example but we've made it.
Amen! We have been BEGGING Dems to fight for us for years, but they have treated their cowardice like a virtue, and acted smug about it. They allowed the MAGA Nazis to grow and steal power, and are still doing nearly nothing about it.
The TX Dems are only a dim light in the smoke, but we have to follow it, and make it brighter.
This is evidence that resistance is possible, if that were wanting, but it's not a win. So far this is merely temporarily staved off defeat. This particular crisis is far from over, and self-congratulation is premature.
they're all gonna pick-up permanent surveillance courtesy of pissbaby abbott, as soon they set foot back in texas (if they don't already have that, wherever they are). then another special session will be called, these rebellious democrats will be denied their constitutional right of free travel between the states, and the house gains 5+ more maga nutcases.
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That's cool and everything, but what's stopping them from calling another-
Governor Greg Abbott calls new special session directly after legislature adjourned its last one on Friday
ah, right. Nothing.
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