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Alt title: Have they tried calling their Representatives tho?
I think the idea is people are stupid enough to think that if somehow it's proven that Trump did even more awful things his followers would wake up and realize that he is awful, I just don't see that happening.
On Reddit, for the last couple of months, every thread about the GOP's fascism has highly upvoted comments implying that the fascism is a distraction from the Epstein files; as though the fascist dictatorship wasn't the plan the entire fucking time.
Liberals continuing to display why the USA is a failed state.
It's sad. I even see it here in other posts. People don't want to admit the government they have placed their trust in keeping public order never intended to protect their interests. The order it was protecting wasn't what they thought it was.
This was the inevitable conclusion of the American capitalist-imperialist experiment.
They're too far in. As long as they still get something out of it, they will continue support and protect their pedophile.
I personally think people are in denial about how fucked things are. They're focusing on inane shit that will lead nowhere because it's all their brains are trained to handle. Screw Trump followers waking up, liberals haven't even woken up to liberalism being destroyed right in front of them.
So the problem with this line of thinking is seeing it as binary. What actually happens in cases of cults is that some split off, and the remainder are more fanatic than ever. For examples, see the Great Disappointment of the Adventists, or 1975 predictions with Jehovah's Witnesses.
The trouble that MAGA has is that it doesn't take many to split off before they're no longer a meaningful political force. Over the last six months, both Democrats and Republicans have been getting phone calls of death threats if they don't do everything Trump wants. Members of congress have made certain decisions because of this. That is going away.
I think it's more that the Epstein files are gettingore.coverage than the destruction of our faux democracy
The effective declaration of martial law in DC is getting plenty of coverage and people here (and elsewhere) are still dismissing it as a distraction from the Epstein files. This is more of a head in sand business.
Yeah. The thing is that it is a distraction from the Epstein files. But it is also distraction from all of his previous crimes, because that is how he has always functioned. He is a barrage of shitshows to distract from any individual shitshow. That was his previous adminstration as well. So even without the existence of the Epstein files, he would still be doing all this shit, it is just what he does. He normalises his crimes and his fascism by constantly doing new crimes and fascism.
And yes, the military deployment in the capital is pretty ominous to put it mildly.
So he distracts from previous crimes by doing current, arguably worse crimes? He's making it legal to torture immigrant kids, but somehow the kids Epstein hurt in the past require more attention?
"Epstein distraction" is basically a meme at this point, and online people love regurgitating memes.
Do we actually think that if we bring it up in our online spaces often enough, they're actually going to hold Trump and the rest of the rapists accountable? They see us as sheep, being "aware" and nothing else only makes us bleating sheep.
As far as I know, nobody cares about democracy.
certainly not enough to do anything about it
The absolute level of sarcasm you unleash by telling a leftist more than one thing is bad.
Do leftists really have a problem understanding both sides can be bad? I figure you have to be pretty well versed in that in order to be a leftist.
Priorities ... not in order.
Golly gee, if only some group had noted that we needed all hands on deck to prevent the fascists from being installed into power and destroying democracy before all this came down.
Luckily, many brave souls took it upon themselves to campaign that voting Dem was unconscionable under any circumstances. Thanks, guys!
Any number of murdered minorities is worth Teaching the DNC A Lesson(tm), after all.
Proof that people abstaining from voting dem resulted in trump winning?
The study he's pointing to is looking at why Harris/Biden's coalition collapsed from 2020. It's not exclusively looking at abstentions, but people who supported Biden in 2020 but didnt in 2024.
"Biden 2020 voters who cast a ballot for someone other than Harris in 2024"
https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
2020 Biden voters abstaining in 2024 on the Palestine issue alone were larger than the 2024 margin of defeat.
Which swing states is this true for?
It isn't going to matter: The genocide in Israel became simultaneously an issue large enough to decide an election and yet small enough to ignore as a political issue.
The argumentation swings both ways as needed.
How ironic considering that the entire argument you continually put forward is that the genocide in Israel is simultaneously an issue large enough to decide an election, yet small enough to evade any responsibility for deciding an election.
Of course, I'm not sure what else should be expected from someone who plays apologist for Ukrainian genocide while pretending to decry Palestinian genocide.
The issue was always large enough to impact the election by causing low turnout and abstention across the electorate.
The protest and third party voters, who turned out and did not abstain, were small enough not to decide the election.
This isn't rocket surgery like hating waffles.
The issue was always large enough to impact the election by causing low turnout and abstention across the electorate.
Yes, which resulted in the fascist victory we are now 'enjoying'. Thank you for agreeing with the point I was making. I mean, sure, you had to play your usual bullshit games first, but what's a ZombiFrancis comment without carrying water for literal fascists?
The protest and third party voters, who turned out and did not abstain, were small enough not to decide the election.
Good thing the source I provided was talking largely about abstainers, but that would require actually reading the source instead of projection.
Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Michigan.
Source? Your link doesn't include this information (or even the absolute numbers of the people it polled).
Source? Your link doesn’t include this information (or even the absolute numbers of the people it polled).
Literally just click the toplines or crosstabs links at the very top of the page.
That's a sample of a few hundred people in an online poll. Not the most convincing evidence
That's captured in the margin of error. Setting aside the validity of their argument, a few hundred people in an online poll is all you need to make population-wide statements.
Margin of error assumes the sampling is random and representative, which of course is very hard to achieve in practice and especially with a laughably small sample size. Not really some magic number of truth as you'd like to present it.
You're right about keeping an eye on sampling but you don't know much about stats if you think 600+ respondents isn't enough to draw any conclusions.
You can start making statistical conclusions from as few as 3 samples and from around 30 you're only getting square root improvements in margin of error. 600+ respondents is more than enough if there's no selection bias, which I'd trust YouGov to be able to handle.