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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 hours ago

I sent this link to a friend who's really into internet radio (like CB used to be cool for nerds) who also loves to 3d print. He lives in a plains state, where this should work really well.

[–] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 21 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

My wife and I each have a radio, as do several of my friends. They're handy for anything where you may not have cell coverage, like camping. We also use them at protests, to avoid the heavy surveillance that's being done on cell networks. Even if the authorities start looking at Meshtastic, everything except the public channel uses PGP end-to-end encryption, and there is no middleman that has access to the unencrypted data.

We have also put up a repeater node. It's on top of a house at the top of the highest ridge near us. Before it went up we rarely saw more than our own nodes. Now we see several dozen, and sometimes a lot more. And the repeater serves the whole community, not just us. The beauty of a mesh is that everyone contributes to everyone else's coverage.

The mesh in our city is growing rapidly right now. Not only are there a lot of people getting their own nodes, there are a surprising number of people putting up repeaters to help spread the coverage. It's amazing to watch our whole neighborhoods suddenly appear as gaps are filled in.

[–] MrTolkinghoen@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

How do I do this? Shats the easiest way to get started?

Both a personal device and a repeater on my house

[–] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Easiest and least expensive are a little different, so I'll talk briefly about both.

The easiest is to go on Etsy and search for Meshtastic. You will find plenty of people who will build you a ready-to-go unit, both individual radios and solar-powered repeaters. (If you plan to put your repeater somewhere with power you can use any radio as a repeater, just put a good antenna on it.) Pre-built units start at around $60 and can go up into the hundreds, but $60 to $90 will get you a great personal radio.

The least expensive is to order a kit from one of the many companies that sell them. If the kit does not come with a case, check Etsy for cases that match your kit. Most kits do not require soldering, you just have to plug in various cables and connectors, then fit everything into the case. Some actually come fully assembled. This approach generally costs somewhere between half and two-thirds of what a pre-built setup will run. Kits start as low as $10, although most or $20 to $40, and cases are mostly $20 to $35.

One of the harder parts is to figure out which radio kit you want, but there are just two major types. Those built around the ESP32 processor tend to be a little less expensive and offer the option of WiFi, but they have a much shorter battery life. Those built around the nRF52 processor cost a little more, do not offer WiFi, but have nearly 10 times the battery life. WiFi is only used in a few specific cases, usually by repeaters and not personal units, so you may well not need it. Battery life is not usually an issue for personal radios, since nearly all of them will go for a full day between charges, but sometimes you may want more than that. Stand-alone repeaters that run off solar panels are almost all based on the nRF52 because of the battery life.

The most common starter radios are based on the Heltec V3 kit, which is based on the ESP32. It has been around a long time, it is relatively inexpensive, and it can do pretty much everything. The only downside is battery life, which may or may not matter to you. Unless that's a concern, you can't go wrong with a V3. My personal favorite is the T114 kit, also from Heltec, which is based on the nRF52. It is much like the V3, but without WiFi and with much better battery life.

I would wait until you've played with a personal radio before buying a repeater. Every Meshtastic radio acts as a repeater, so you don't necessarily need a dedicated repeated. Find out how many nodes are in your area and what kind of coverage you get. If there aren't many nodes, or distance is limited, you can consider a dedicated repeater.

Basically, a repeater is just a node with a good location that's put in a good location, up as high as possible. Because Meshtastic radios use very little power, it is practical to make completely self-sufficient solar repeater units that never require charging. You can put one of those on your roof, up in a tree, or on top of a nearby hill or mountain, without having to worry about regularly climbing back up there.

I strongly recommend that you go to meshtastic.org and read through the Getting Started documentation. It provides a lot more detail (and less personal opinion). And check out the Meshtastic communities on Lemmy. Have fun!

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Save worthy post. Not the person who asked, but thanks for the extremely detailed response!

[–] MrTolkinghoen@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Thank you for the detailed reply! Yeah I realize now Mestastic.Org has everything I need.

Planning to prolly get:

A rak wireless kit for a local repeater on my roof powered via PoE, and then a TTGO TEcho for my personal device.

I know that I should just get the latter and play with it first, but I live high on a hill with a great vantage point of the city so feels like a disservice to the community if I don't also host a repeater.

One thing I'm curious about, is if I use it via poe, can I also send messages via the repeater? I.e. locally from my network initiate a message through my repeater?

I would want it in repeater mode so it would forward any message even ones I don't have the encryption key for.

[–] pfizer_dose@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Man I've been seeing so much about these over the last few weeks, I'd love to get my hands on one

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 1 points 11 hours ago

I just picked up a 2pack of devices from the Amazon link in that article. Planning on messing with them this weekend. I figure I've spent more than $60 on random projects that went nowhere before, so this can't be that bad.

[–] benny@reddthat.com 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

LoRa has been around for a while trying to break through with different devices, some of it does seem useful, but it's a tough sell to invest in something without knowing where the network will go. A carrier model or something else, maybe subsidies, is needed.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Not much bandwidth to know do much beyond text, so use-cases are probably very limited already.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] benny@reddthat.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Even for that LoRa can basically only act as a bridge, unless LoRa radios start being built into phones instead of being separate devices.

[–] brunoqc@piefed.ca 114 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Clickbait title. Just say it's meshtastic.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean it's an article for people like me who have never heard of that

Sure, but they could at least put that in the title as well so people who are familiar w/ it don't need to click through.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ok.......what's meshtastic? I still haven't clicked the article, and know nothing of which you speak.

I'd say this title is for people like me. I think it sounds cool.

[–] pezhore@infosec.pub 31 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It is cool! The barrier to entry is relatively low. The only thing to really worry about is:

  1. What band/frequency is appropriate for you country.
  2. Are there others around to which you can connect?

If there's not a lot of people around it's not the end of the world. Nodes can connect over the Internet via MQTT servers. Yes, this defeats the purpose of having an offline/decentralized communication platform, but it is a good stop gap until more nodes are put up.

Here's a sample of what I can see in a somewhat large-ish Midwest City in the US (there's about 63 nodes I can reach by hopping through relays).

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[–] brunoqc@piefed.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It allows us to make a mesh network (interconnected nodes where you can contact a node even if it's not in range for you, by using other nodes) with Lora radio devices. Lora is slow but has long range. I think it works better when you have line of sight, like if someone can put a node on a mountain, it would help everyone.

I think people might have sent audio with it but it's mostly useful for text messages. It could be useful if the Internet is down, maybe, but it's more like a toy.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

It could be useful if the Internet is down, maybe, but it’s more like a toy.

Since LoRa devices use very little power this can be useful when there is no electricity.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Definitely clickbait. The phrase "send texts" as it's been used for the past quarter century means "sms texts" or maybe "text messages to other people on mobile phone networks", which is not at all what this is.

Exactly. I was hyped because I'd like to send and receive SMS w/o a mobile phone. I was hoping someone implemented the protocol so I could integrate it into my desktop, the "no wi-fi or cell service" was merely a bonus.

But no, this is just a way to communicate over a different radio protocol than mobile phone standards.

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

Then what is it?

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[–] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 145 points 2 days ago (50 children)

Nice article on Meshtastic. The problem is that, like anything, the actual distance is a lot more dependent on line of sight and the actual mesh existing. Which means we’d need a LOT more people to adopt these and put up repeaters for them to be useful. Which is doable, but not cheap.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Have a look at meshmap.net. That shows people who have voluntarily put themselves on a map.

Although it can be a serious underestimation, for example in my area, I'm the only one who lists myself on the map, but there are about 10 other nodes that don't

Edit: Also, the number of nodes on MeshMap has pretty much doubled in six months since I started playing with it.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Hmm, more than I expected actually. None in my town but one in a nearby town and the nearest city.

Is there a limit to how far can you communicate through multiple nodes? Also is there anything special for setting up a repeater compared to just communicating on the network?

Though i don't know anyone else that would be likely to use something like this sadly.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

They've set the maximum at seven hops, but depending on weather conditions, that can easily be several hundred miles.

Nothing special is needed for a repeater except that you probably will want a node with a solar panel such as the seeedStudio solar. You would put it up as high as you can get it. I generally say if it's more than 100 feet in the air, use router mode. If it is less than 100 feet but above 20 feet, use client. If it is less than 20 feet, use client mute.

Your node in your pocket or in your car should be on client mute mode since them broadcasting will not get the signal much farther and will just cause more channel utilization on high nodes.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nice, 0 within 25 kilometers of me lol.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Remember, that map is volunteer and only shows nodes of a day or less.

For example, I am the only node in my area who voluntarily puts myself on the map, but there are 10 others who do not.

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 23 points 2 days ago (17 children)

I maintain three of these devices, if anyone has any questions.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What kind of data rate can they provide? Can it support audio? Low bit-rate video?

I've seen LoRa when Pine64 announced some related products some years back, but I haven't really gotten into it. If the community is big enough and the bitrate reasonable enough, I might get one to connect my home to my parents home (about 10 miles away, so at the edge of the range) for fun. It would be cool to set up some smart home stuff at both ends that I could host on my own so I can keep an "eye" on my parents stuff when the travel (mostly just door and occupancy sensors, no video).

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In theory the protocol can support those formats. With meshtastic it's only designed for text. You can get some really basic emojis though since they are Unicode.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If its simple enough, I could probably abuse it to send binary data by encoding everything in base64 or something, and writing a simple translator for whatever my app is.

But what does the usable bandwidth look like, and what about latency? If I'm going just out of range from direct communication, I assume I'd be going through other peoples' nodes, but is that intelligent enough to route messages through efficiently? Or could I see crazy latency spikes?

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You are at the edge of what I know :) If you find out, let the rest of us know. I only have vague and hand wavy knowledge at this point of lora slow means lots of latency. GL!

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How does this differ from IP over ham radio? It seems like in general, it would just be lower distance and greater reliance on nodes near you, with the trade off being smaller equipment.

https://themodernham.com/ip-over-ham-radio-via-new-packet-radio/

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Its biggest + in my book is that you don't have to be a ham to make it work. There are better systems if you want more reliable communications. But its a fun side hobby and, in the event of a power outage, a decent little communicator. Although from personal experience, most of the devices piggy back of your existing cell phones and bluetooth. So ironically as long as the cell towers aren't blown to hell, your still fine either way.

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