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“I say two things to Europe. Stop the windmills. You’re ruining your countries. I really mean it, it’s so sad. You fly over and you see these windmills all over the place, ruining your beautiful fields and valleys and killing your birds,” he said.

“On immigration, you better get your act together,” he said. “You’re not going to have Europe anymore.”

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There's so much to say. He's wrong (although a reminder that open borders lower wages), and it's not his place to say anyway. "You're not going to have Europe anymore" is a bit absurd since he himself is destroying America.

But all that aside, is he seriously gonna say the Netherlands is being ruined by windmills.

[–] appropriateghost@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

open borders does not lower wages when you consider the whole imperialist dynamic of wealth transfer that has forced migrants to find work elsewhere. Furthermore wages get lowered because of the capitalist profit motive.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You're right. Strictly speaking it's high birth rates that affect wages, to different degrees on the national and international level. The already occurring global decline in birth rates is a far better solution than closed borders which would just lead to jobs being offshored.

[–] appropriateghost@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I get what you're saying but I don't think it's higher birth rates either. This falls into a neoMalthusian trap that assumes that we don't have enough resources when it's the privatization of goods and services that makes production and access to goods stagnant and inefficient.

The implication of saying it's birth rates will shift the blame on those who have children, and those are historically poorer people in rural areas/less affluent communities/the global south.

Besides, if you look at consumption per capita it is the richer areas and less populated areas in the world that are using the most energy, polluting the most, and consuming the most.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm talking specifically about jobs. The less workers we have, the more workers get paid.

[–] Ragnor@feddit.dk 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

And the less work gets done, so the less money comes back to the country. The cost of your produce goes up when the wages go up, so it becomes harder to compete with competitors from other nations. You risk your businesses defaulting, and the workers losing their jobs so the wages drop once more.

It is not that simple.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

As I said, when you factor in that other countries will have more people it doesn't work out. If the entire world disappeared except Germany, then necromancy would lower wages.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

American here: please, please convince your governments that it is fine and correct to fully ignore orangeboi in a categorical sense.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

The government in Sweden is already working with party that shares Trump's goals. The frustrating thing is that they are more long term focused. Trump wants to implement his vision now, because it is his last shot at it, and he may only have two years in which he can do it (unless he destroys enough in those two years to continue). In Sweden, the far right have been at it since the 90s, and while they getting a bit eager, they still can separate themselves from Trump by saying that of course the way he does things is not the way they would do things. If they get to defund public access tv and radio this term, or slash benefits for immigrants, or restrict free speech at universities, or any number of things that Trump also is doing, even a single thing, they know: This policy will not solve what they promised it would but it has made that part of society a little less able to resist, and they can say "well, it did not help because we did not get to fulfill our whole platform" (this term was the first time they got direct access to influence the government, and they actually did say this directly after the government was formed, "don't expect things to get better now, we will need more time").

To compare them to Trump is often counter productive. "Trump deports people to camps in foreign nations, often without due process, do you want the same here?" is met with "Certainly not", because they instead wants to make the bar for deportation to be so low that they will be able to do it with due process. The government and the far right have agreed that immigrants may face loss of residence and deportation because of just "bad behaviour" essentially, which includes being a victim of a crime. Trying to force a comparison with Trump here will most likely fail because while the goals are very similar, the strategy is different enough to in such a comparison allow them to highlight how different they are from Trump.

Trump is a very small bump in the road for them at best. I mean these are people who joined a Nazi party in the 90s, then said "look, maybe we should tone down with the swastikas, heil-ing, skinhead aestetic, celebration of serial killers killing immigrants, street violence, and our connections to actually Nazi SS people, singing antisemitic songs, bringing granades political opponents rallies to perform a planned act of terrorism and so on" which was the stuff they used to do then (now it is much rarer that they do it, and it is less official when they do) ”because it may not be a strategy that is working". Because of that, they can get away with anything, even have government officials say "the far-right were always right on the subject of immigration". Trump is a very small issue for their image in this context I feel.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Pot calling the cloud black

[–] korsystems@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

I don't think anyone should listen to a fascist pedophile