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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Fact: Gazans have just as much right to armed self defense as the Israelis do.

Fact: Hamas, by Israel's own numbers, does a better job at avoiding civilian casualties than the IDF does.

Fact: people who hand wring about Hamas are just classists. They view killing someone with a bomb dropped from a plane as morally superior to killing someone with an AK 47. Their moral judgment in the validity of violence is primarily a function of the income of the person committing the violence.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 weeks ago

Actually Israelis do not have any right to self defense as a beligirent occupier.

Palestinians meanwhile are allowed extreme levels of armed resistance against their occupiers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_armed_resistance

[–] jaaake@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm so fucking tired of Anti-Genocide groups being called Pro-Palestine. It feels like such a dog whistle.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 6 points 2 weeks ago

Narrator: "it is"

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 weeks ago

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/20/two-uk-pro-palestine-organisations-have-bank-accounts-frozen-gmfp-psc

At least two grassroots pro-Palestine organisations in the UK have had their bank accounts frozen, raising fears about a wider attempt to silence voices speaking out about Gaza.

Greater Manchester Friends for Palestine (GMFP) and Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC), which both organise peaceful protests and vigils, have had access to their funds cut off indefinitely by Virgin Money and Unity Trust bank respectively. The Guardian understands a local PSC branch in England has also had its bank account frozen but was unable to confirm it directly.

Coming amid the banning of Palestine Action earlier this month and the arrest of more than 100 people for showing support for the group, and the threatened arrest of a peaceful protester for having a Palestine flag and “Free Gaza” sign, it has amplified concerns about a crackdown on critics of Israel.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

a western regime mask off moment

[–] courval@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Bloody hell!

[–] kor@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

The treacherous Albions are no strangers to genocide. Bengal and Ireland still remember it.

[–] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If the world lets Israel take Gaza, I do not understand why there is no action to relocate the Palestinians and avoid the massacre at least.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The world doesn't want Israel to take Gaza. The West does. Also it would be complicity in ethnic cleansing.

[–] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You’re right of course. However, is letting Israel kill some hundreds of civilians every week really an option?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Israel has very publicly stated that they will not stop at colonizing Gaza. Their plan is to colonize almost the entire Middle East. This is stated in their Greater Israel plan and you can already see that Israel is colonizing parts of Lebanon and Syria and of course the West Bank.

You must understand that Israel is entirely like the Nazis. Adolf Hitler was not content after invading Poland. Europe actually gave Hitler multiple pieces of land which he invaded at the promise that he would stop after that. Of course Hitler always broke this promise. When dealing with Nazis there is only one solution.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

nobody can do anything about it because either america will step in to defend pissrael or pissrael will leak whatever blackmail they have on all western politicians that keeps them obedient

[–] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

So what’s the endgame here? Clearly Palestinians will not disappear into thin air.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

Are you not familiar with the concept of genocide?

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

i couldnt tell you. i dont want to be pessimistic. its a horrible situation. the palestinians have been there since the beginning and some crackers in europe decided a century ago it was theirs like they did the rest of the planet. we’re all at the whims of sociopaths on a mission to destroy everything so that they can take it and profit off it

if you ask me where i think we should go from here my honest answer will have the fbi at my house (im murrican)

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Israel will keep being Nazis until they overplay their hand and the West calls it quits. Recent Israeli bombings on Iran proved to be a step too far for the West to support. US and Europe support genocide but when the oil gets hurt they call it quits.

It seems like this will continue until the West doesn't have enough money to support Israel anymore.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Recent Israeli bombings on Iran proved to be a step too far for the West to support.

What? No it didn't.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

If it wouldn't have then American soldiers would be in Iran right now.

I'm not talking about their words but the actions. US and EU put their attack dog on a leash when their oil got in danger.

[–] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

That’s an interesting point. I always wondered how the transition to green energy would have affected the Middle East, but I never considered that it could reduced the need to limit Israel.

[–] edel@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That is a conundrum but not for us to dictate, but Palestinians themselves.

As an occupier since 1948, Israel has the obligation to maintain the people they had conquered, never did, the international community, rather than the invader, for 7 decades had maintained the Palestinian community. As an occupier, Israel never felt the burden of their policies. Now Israel is in the way to kill and/or expel the entire population on Gaza (West Bank will be next) and expects, again, for the entire world community to pay with the burden. For countries to accept these refugees in masse, it will help the people individually, but it will be complicit in the eradication of a people . And 'help' the individuals, is a understatement, most likely the bulk of Palestinians will be send to tents for the rest of their lives in some dessert (for 2nd or 3rd time in their lifetimes!) with no rights of the hosted country either. Let's not even mention all the hundreds of thousands handicapped and other hundreds of thousands with mental disorders that this orchestrated and meticulously planed genocide has caused them and that will need to be supported, once again, not by the perpetrator, but an enabler international community.

[–] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is a long list of alternatives that starts with a military intervention to stop the genocide, and ends with relocating the refugees in other countries as the minimum act of decency. Somehow the world manages to go to the bottom of the list and digs down choosing to just watch.

I wonder how this will be explained in history books.

[–] edel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The History books? One of two, by the winner (namely China) or there won't be history books altogether.

The sad thing is that there is not need to be even an intervention, just some accountability (boycott, arms sales ban,...), and soon enough Israel would find out there is no exit on the current path. Just imagine that countries like Russia, China, Spain, Turkey or Egypt send a strong flotilla with humanitarian aid... would Israel declare war? On what moral or strategic ground? The truth however is that we all are a bunch of cowards and everyone is afraid to be the first to make the first step. But things are shifting, and shifting fast... Americans won't take long to wake up and demand all financial/weapon aid to be stopped, Europeans already are fed up with Middle Easter adventures and, soon enough, Egypt and Turkey will realize that pivoting away from the US is more beneficial to them. Israel could had rapidly improve their relationship with the neighbors, but instead it thrives in creating havoc since it has worked so good all these years... not for much longer though... they soon, in the middle of their most abrupt and criminal ambitions, will realize how alone they are and that the support from abroad won't last... and the worse part, is that this change won't be progressively, it will be abrupt and they wont have time to rectify.

The Samson Option is the real concern for me. But, like I mentioned it will be all the area, not just Iran that will soon turn against Israel so that option just becomes 100% suicidal. The Zionist with power are not religious, they don't even believe in the after life, they just want power! The powerful Zionists are people, that when they see things turn bad, they won't think twice of fleeing to the US or Argentina and they know, that even in those countries, they won't live in peace if they'd triggered the nuclear weapons and killed millions.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Americans won’t take long to wake up and demand all financial/weapon aid to be stopped

Lol. The sun will burn out before that happens