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[–] idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure what OOP calls pasta, but according to wikipedia they had it in the old world:

Evidence of Etruscans making pasta dates back to 400 BCE. The first concrete information on pasta products in Italy dates to the 13th or 14th centuries

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasta

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Combining flour, water, and an egg isn't difficult. If you told me that was the second thing that happened after figuring out how to make flour I'd believe it. Like flat bread, proto-pasta, leavened bread in that order makes the most sense to me.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The American mentality of 'Yeah its bad, but it could be worse" or "Yeah this sucks but at least or sucks more for someone else"

It solves nothing, as long as there are people doing worse than you. Maybe this is why they are trying so hard to mess up the lives of people who already are messed up

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Out of all the many negative cultural affectations of Americans, trying to pin the extremely common across cultures of "It could be worse" as uniquely or exceptionally American is fucking bizarre.

[+] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It is not scientific proof, but i used an LLM to make an overview of where negative social comparison is most common

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"It could be worse" in this sense is not a downward comparison with relevance to individualism, personal success, or meritocracy. What's being said is not "We're SUPERIOR INDIVIDUALS unlike those NASTY POORS from the PAST", it's "Fuck, things might be bad, but it's good to keep our own circumstances in perspective."

Also, mandatory fuck LLMs as a replacement for thought.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

You obviously shouldn't use LLMs to think, but they are essentially machines that parrot the average Internet user (or in Grok's case, the average Internet Nazi). Using them to get a tentative guess at what Internet users say isn't the worst idea.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't see a difference between the two, besides the attitude and the capitalization. Being an asshole or being compassionate while comparing to people who are less fortunate, to affirm or confirm that you are better off, is imo the same.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In which case no comparisons are acceptable, and no relative estimations can ever be made.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

and no relative estimations can ever be made

Oh they can! It's just not good to do. The question is not if it can be done or not. It's more if it is a good thing and if it is culturally acceptable

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh they can! It’s just not good to do. The question is not if it can be done or not. It’s more if it is a good thing and if it is culturally acceptable

... you say as you make relative estimations about Americans.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I am not perfect. But i dont compare myself to Americans to prove that i am better. I just state what is commonly perceived as a practice in America.

That said, i live in a country that is placed at the opposite side of the range set by that LLM and maybe because of that we may see at it as a negative practice.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

But i dont compare myself to Americans to prove that i am better.

The American mentality of 'Yeah its bad, but it could be worse" or “Yeah this sucks but at least or sucks more for someone else”

It solves nothing, as long as there are people doing worse than you. Maybe this is why they are trying so hard to mess up the lives of people who already are messed up

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe not trying to solve a problem is the better way to live. What do i know. It's just not the way I would like to live

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I asked dogGPT about your hot take and he barked that you should just stop already.

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I have a hard time believing "could be worse" is a uniquely American thought.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago

It's not, but it's a trademark, often used to excuse selfish behaviour in the US.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

"Yeah, you're getting fucked over on a regular basis, but at least you're not a ~insert patsy demographic here~"

[–] tawsi@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 days ago

Okay but as a chronically ill person in poverty struggling to feed myself in a late stage capitalist hellscape. I feel like I tick the first few boxes.

[–] BlackAura@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

But can you imagine the blissful ignorance?

No social media.

No phones.

No 24 hour news cycle.

Almost no literacy.

Just a town crier once a week or month or whenever our lord thought there was important news to share.

The travelling minstrel, or dance troupe, or puppeteer coming through annually and doing shows for a few nights before carrying on to the next town.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

No tomatoes, no corn, yeah it was rough

Edit btw this means pizza, if you manage to make some, doesn't have any sauce

Second edit: And no tacos

[–] ftbd@feddit.org 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Tacos aren't a big thing in Europe even today

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 5 points 3 days ago

Then I guess contemporary europeans have an advantage at imagining being ancient europeans, that's fine

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sounds awful. Tacos are great!

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We have shawarma.

[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Falafel, Lahmacun...

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I can get all of those and tacos.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 6 points 3 days ago

If you never knew this things you'd never miss them.