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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Except those weren't "holidays" in the same sense as modern holidays, as in you had the day to yourself and you could do pretty much whatever you wanted. Those were church days, you had to go to mass, fast for the day, and/or do other assorted religious rituals. You didn't get a break from work, you were forbidden from working even if you wanted (needed) to because you're supposed to be worshipping God on those days. Failing to do so can get you shunned from your community as a sinner, or worse, executed for being a blasphemer, especially if you're a woman. If you're falling behind on the quotas your lord gave you, those kinds of "holidays" would only make the situation worse because you're not allowed to use them to catch up.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Those holidays were mandatory as in you have to pray, not that you didn't had to work. Medieval peasants had hellish amount of work to do, this meme only account for the field work, ignoring house work, after field work (threshing itself was crazily labour intensive), various feudal duties etc etc.

Both facts presented here are false, we can condemn modern wage slavery enough without ahistorical nonsense.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

ignoring house work,

Why wouldn't it? Domestic labour isn't counted under the current system either

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

House work as in producing nearly everything they needed and used themselves: clothes, most of tools, furniture, etc.

Also remember that the free peasants (who i assume the meme is about) were not wage workers but petty rural bourgeoisie, yet another reason this meme is bullshit since it compare two classes with essentially different relation to means of production.

Not to mention it stinks with long dead and rotten narodnik vibes.

[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 9 points 5 days ago

They also had more than enough work in that "free time".... Oh wait. So do we. Taking care of kids, household chores, commuting, etc.

Well at least we live much longer than medieval peasants and can enjoy the cruel wheel of money grinding longer.

[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago
[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Weekends = 104

Holiday entitlement = 35

Paid "sick" = 10 (yeah not great)

Meh I'll take a day less as I get to do what I want on those days rather than grovel to some nonexistent man in the sky.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

From the beginning of civilization all the way up to the end of medieval times, leaders understood the importance of jubilees: Every generation or so the concentration of wealth under a hierarchy gets so bad, so unbearable, that debt must be relieved across society by decree to prevent open revolt.

Nation states were the end of all that. The merchants (Today we call them capitalists) are not the figureheads of society the same way that kings were, they don't fear for their lives when they order politicians to double down on debt, issue new currency endlessly if they must, force through any economic hardships in order to prevent the relief of worsening inequality, to prevent the endless accrual of their wealth and lifestyles.

Instead of relief every 50-odd years, we've been hurting more and more for the past several hundred because nation states provide a faceless, unassailable aegis for the top heirarchs that never existed before in history.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

AFAIK jubilee is a biblical expression and it's not clear if it happened at all in ancient Israel and certainly not every 50 years (as mandated in the Torah) but it certainly happened unregularly in nearby mesopotania (that's where the inspiration comes from).

I'm not away of anything comparable in medieval Europe. Peasants were considered part of the land and paid regular tribute but didn't pile up debts or did they?

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

No I say up to the end of medieval times because shortly thereafter (After a brief 30-year kerfuffle) is when we see the first emergence of what we'd recognize today as nation states. Though I do not refer only to debt cancellations that go by that specific name, "jubilee" is just what we often refer to it in the west. It was done to varying degrees in many ancient cultures.

Around 1300 the church kind of coopted "jubilee" as being a bulk forgiveness of sin rather than financial debt (I think the Catholic Church did one as recently as 2000). But traditions like May Day and various festivals of fools kept the spirit of social inversion and and anti-hierarchy alive since then. We still practice echoes of those traditions today in things like April Fool's, "opposite day", our current labor-centric May Day, etc.