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[Discussion] Defed lemmit.online (feddit.uk)

submitted 3 days ago by flamingos@feddit.uk to c/feddituk@feddit.uk

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Inspired by the lemmy.ca post, I want to discuss if we should follow and defed lemmit ourselves.

For those who don't know, or forgot because they blocked the bot, it's a Reddit reposter instance. It has very low engagement, but posts a lot. About 30% of all posts on feddit.uk are from this bot (838192/2806651 when I did the SQL). It is also by far the most blocked user on the instance, 151 blocks with second being a mere 40.

It also only synchronises with Reddit one way, so if you reply to a post, the person on Reddit won't see it.

If no one has any objections, I'm going to go ahead and defed as I don't think it's worth having around. Especially the way it makes the 'New All' feed useless if you don't have it blocked.

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[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 1 points 17 hours ago

This seems pretty conclusive, I'm going to go ahead and defed. Thanks for all your input.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Generally I disagree with most calls for defederation because I didn't join Lemmy to join an echo chamber. We're all enriched by diversity of thought and opinion. Even if we disagree with those thoughts and opinions. And playing "which account has access to which servers?" is an annoying game to play. Defederation should, in my opinion, be the last resort that a server takes.

But this instance is bot spam, it's not enriching the Fediverse but homogenising it with Reddit.

So no objections from me, good call flamingos!

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 8 points 3 days ago

I think I'm one of those that blocked the bot a long time ago as it would dominate the new feed. I don't think it adds any value, happy to defed from it.

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago

Good call.

[–] swizzlestick@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago

Support. Logged into this alt just to say so.

Feeds are nicer without it. For new users, all it does is drive them back to Reddit - a place they very likely just left.

[–] ilovecheese@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago

Good call!

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh, I use it (I think just for !simpsonsshitposting@lemmit.online), I imagine the low engagement is because everyone who uses it knows it's a bot and treats it as read-only.

Is it actually causing any problems? It's pretty trivial to ignore/block it if you don't want to see it. If it's actually increasing our server bill or anything like that then it's not worth keeping, but if it's not causing any harm then why bother defederating?

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I imagine the low engagement is because everyone who uses it knows it’s a bot and treats it as read-only

I don't think this is the case, others like !Mirror@50501.chat and @free@rss.ponder.cat get engagement, and the latter doesn't even post memes which most lemmings engage with with little regard to community or user.

Is it actually causing any problems?

See my other comment, but nothing technical.

It’s pretty trivial to ignore/block it if you don’t want to see it. If it’s actually increasing our server bill or anything like that then it’s not worth keeping, but if it’s not causing any harm then why bother defederating?

It is easy to block, but new lemmings aren't going to know all the platform features.

I'm not adamant about defeding though, if people are using it I'll keep it around. There are other solutions to the issue of new users going to All, seeing a bunch of Reddit reports with no engagement and thinking the platform is dead. Like having new accounts block the bot by default.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

Well I can live without it so if I'm the only person who doesn't want rid of it then don't worry

[–] florge@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How much of an impact does federating with lemmit.online have on server resources?

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

Not much, other than the size of the post table in the DB, but that's not the biggest tables so no need to worry. The only instance that I'd imagine to have a noticeable performance impact is lemmy.world, most of the server load is from users not federation.

[–] haych@feddit.uk -1 points 2 days ago

Can we defed from blahaj zone whilst we're at it? Almost every thread with users from there are arguments, hate, or insults. I'm trying to avoid reddit style drama being here.