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[–] Xylight 8 points 2 hours ago

TranscriptionAn American Humane Certified Safety Representative visited the Snow Buddies set on the first day of filming. Fifteen Golden Retriever puppies were on set and fifteen other were being treated by a local veterinarian, and their illnesses were eventually diagnosed as Giardia and Coccidia. On request from the representative the remaining puppies on set received additional veterinary checks. Twenty-five of the puppies were from an American breeder and five were from a Canadian breeder. It was discovered that the puppies were approximately 8 weeks old, which lead to the belief that the puppies were only 6 weeks old when they were brought by the trainer to the movie set. Per the USDA it was at the time illegal to transport puppies under the age of 8 weeks.

After the removal of all 30 puppies, 28 older Golden Retriever puppies were brought in to continue filming. All of the 28 older puppies were exposed to parvovirus. Five of the puppies died, and up to six others fell ill after exposure to the virus.

As a result, the film was not permitted to use the "No animals were harmed..." disclaimer and received an "Unacceptable" marking from the American Humane Association.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Wait… Disney gave them parvo?

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Well, I could have gone my whole life not knowing this. :(

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (7 children)

Go watch Milo and Otis again. Holy shit. They through a fucking kitten off a cliff.

After doing some wtf research, the thing was filmed in China. Those poor kittens and puppies.

*Threw

[–] Odo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/animals-abused-milo-and-otis/

That was a rumor, and has never been verified despite decades of discussion and many attempts to prove or disprove it. Also, it was filmed in Japan, not China.

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 3 points 2 hours ago

Was just about to mention milo and Otis. I loved that movie as a kid. Felt pretty bad rediscovering it as an adult.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 1 points 2 hours ago

Oh shit, that's fucking CHATRAN, I loved that as a kid :(

[–] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago

"here. Get bit by this lobster"

[–] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago

I loved that movie growing up and had my own copy. And then as an adult I learnt about that dark, dark history.

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 hours ago

oof, right in the childhood

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 7 hours ago

Here comes the dog, strong and brave, WOOF!

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 48 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

image of text
no link to source or actual text
pointlessly breaking the web & accessibility

Does OP know about this alternative to images of text called text? 🤦

[–] M137@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I have never heard of this movie or the whole franchise (did some searching) before. It's not even something I have seen anything about and wasn't interested, I've literally never seen or heard anything about any of this. But I'm not surprised, nothing as big as Disney exists without many skeletons in the closet. Haven't given them any money since I was a teenager, and that won't ever change.

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[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 27 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

In a movie from 2008, so it wasn't that long ago. You'd think they would have known better by then. Another reminder to boycott Disney.

Known better? Probably.

Cared better? Absolutely not.

Imagine the caliber of person it takes to neglect a golden retriever to death.

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 111 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No, animals were harmed in the making of this film.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 132 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

A proud Disney tradition.

discovered that the lemming scene was actually filmed at the Bow River near Canmore, Alberta, and further that the same small group of lemmings was transported to the location, jostled on turntables, and repeatedly shoved off a cliff to imply mass suicide.

[–] Willy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

how big was the cliff? did they get hurt or die or was it even more faked?

[–] Willy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

great game back in the day though btw. we need another version. maybe with a political bent

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[–] Kyle@lemmy.ca 64 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Parvovirus is a puppy owners worst nightmare. It's kind of puppy ebola but super contagious and high mortality rate.

Typically puppy owners never accept a puppy younger than 8 weeks without their first vaccination. And don't let them go out in places exposed to other unknown dogs until after the second vaccination at 16 weeks. So those early weeks should be spent with other vaccinated puppies to socialise them. And if you are going out, carry them or put them in a cart, or take them places you know no sick dogs have been within a year.

Yet another reason why raising puppies is so much harder than people think.

Yeah, parvo specifically attacks multiplying cells. It’s not super bad for fully grown dogs, which only multiply cells to maintain a baseline. But for puppies that are actively growing, it basically causes them to fall apart at the seams. Their bone marrow and intestinal lining basically turns to mush, since they’re almost entirely made of multiplying cells.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 4 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

What's the conventional wisdom as to why this is so bad, but eating meat basically gets a pass? Like, meat offers sustenance, yes, but it's by no means required. So basically, humans eat meat because it tastes really good


it's great "culinary entertainment."

This is a different kind of entertainment, but it's deeply offensive to many folks. I'm not trying to be a dick about it, just curious why this is seen as such a sin.

Is it that these animals weren't "supposed" to be killed? Would a movie about a beef cow who ends up getting slaughtered, both onscreen and IRL, be seen as better? Worse?

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

fair point but killing for entertainment is pure evil. Killing cause you have to eat is neccesary evil.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You have to eat, but you don't have to eat meat. It's just as optional as creating art that involves animal abuse. (Not a vegan, just interested in this topic).

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Humans need nutrition and vitamins found in meat. Without them they get health issues or die. When lab grown meats are available, real meats become optional.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There are literally billions of vegetarians in the world who don't have health issues.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There's multiples more of omnivores who don't have health issues either.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

So? That somehow means the vegetarians don't exist?

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Where in the fuck did you get that?

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You say:

Humans need nutrition and vitamins found in meat. Without them they get health issues or die.

I reply that billions of vegetarians exist without health issues, proving that humans don't need nutrition and vitamins found in meat.

You reply that many omnivores exist without issues as well, which is a non-sequitur. Why was that your reply?

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 1 points 33 minutes ago

What they mean to say is that there's only one healthy diet, and since more of the healthy people are carnists, the vegetarians are doing it wrong.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We need things that can be found in meat. With some effort, you can obtain them from alternative sources.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Yes.

"with some effort". Eating food humans are meant to eat in a balanced and healthy manner is already borderline impossible for everyone. Eating only vegetarian is more akin to a full time hobby than what food is to most people: fuel.

People don't even give a shit about cars that they drive around and spend insane amount of money on each decade. I just don't see most people just switching to vegetarianism without a survival need. Plant based foods are just stupid expensive to boot outside of rice and potatoes.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah, it's harder for sure. But what I'm saying is that not everyone needs to kill to eat-- if you can afford it and have some time to plan meals, it isn't a "necessary evil". I'd argue it's still more moral to kill for food than for entertainment, of course.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Wow, I must be doing it wrong then. I learned basic combinations and a variety of recipes. No different from when I learned to cook with meat.

I'm not saying that it's for everyone. I personally still eat fish from time to time. But it definitely isnt a full time hobby

[–] SirActionSack@aussie.zone 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Broadly, people are not ok with animals being mistreated. An animal that is raised in safe, comfortable conditions and then killed painlessly is not mistreated by the standards of many people.

Abusing a puppy and kitten to make a film is absolutely mistreatment, hence the different reaction.

I'm not trying to be a dick about it

Doubt. "Just asking questions" is so often a deliberate dick move.

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

safe, comfortable condirions and then killed painlessly

Do you even think this is real

[–] SirActionSack@aussie.zone 1 points 44 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 minutes ago

You're clueless. Even if it was possible, which it is not, it would be not be profitable enough.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

I assume that "No animal were harmed" claim cannot be used in film where real meat are consumed?

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 hours ago

I suppose if I had a cow living in my home with me that would be a problem. It's familiarity.

And puppies

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 gj

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