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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 87 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Every part of the world is. It's not unique to the US. Laws need to be passed to stop this.

[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Yes. Unfortunately, these systems are also a great gift for any upcoming fascist regime (like the Trump junta currently) which will not only happily continue using the existing infrastructure but also extend it like mad.

Maybe humanity's greatest weaknesses overall: the lack of foresight and the lack of wisdom learned from historic precedents (e.g. Nazi Germany? Forgotten by now). Everything's always about short-term goals, ignoring any long-term disadvantages. See also: climate disaster.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Bet you $500 that the next democrat president won’t tear down the system and will in fact give even more contracts to Palantir & co.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 10 months ago

Palantir have been with every president since it's inception. I once searched palintir, lotr 10+years ago, it was already well established by then

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That's a capitalism weakness, not a human weakness though.

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Uh, do the kids these days really not know about the post-9/11 Patriot Act?

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well Obama 'fixed' it.
Made it even more draconian but called it the Freedom Act.
Shit like that works every time.

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

God I miss the pre-9/11 US, when the worst thing happening was bad jokes on SNL about Bill Clinton and cigars.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe not the best example.
At that time this sleezebag (and others with power) got away with a lot of sexual misconduct.
And in his case probably rapes.
Minimising it as him being some naughthy schoolboy and making jokes about is not really something I miss.

[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't want to downplay sexual misconduct, but the issues we are facing right now are orders of magnitude higher.

You will never find a perfect point it time where life is good for and harmonious everyone. The 90s had their problems, for sure, but the USA wasn't tearing itself apart, or bringing in and welcoming in a new wave of fascism.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I know that wasn't your intention, mentioned it bcs it just sounded weird and and unfortunate choice.
" USA tearing itself apart" is the best thing that could happen to the world.
I feel sorry for the handful of non-uniparty voters that have to suffer but as a European this feels like your country is getting a taste of its own medicine.

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[–] 3abas@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Now read some books and see how much Bill Clinton is directly to blame for most awful shit we're dealing with today, and while you shouldn't come to justify 9-11, you'll understand its motivation correctly.

Bill Clinton and neo-libs like him is why we go right instead of left as a society.

[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

We sent all our manufacturing capabilities to China.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Is there a word for when the media is constantly like 3+ years behind with "warnings" like this? I mean Jesus Christ, turning into?

[–] danzabia@infosec.pub 6 points 10 months ago

Better that they cover it than not. And the recent ramp up is worth reporting on, it's a new level of weaponization compared to previous administrations.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 10 months ago

I'm sure German could do a compound of "spät erkennen" or similar for a late realisation.

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 44 points 10 months ago

it's already a surveillance state and both the red and blue party are complicit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_disclosures

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Uh you mean since like, 2001?

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago

And by US, the author means the world.

[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)

kinda been that way since 2001

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Since a bit earlier or so I've read.

[–] qweertz@programming.dev 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Turning"?! "into"?!

ig neither the glowies nor Snowden nor Manning exist

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where are all the "nothing to hide" people now.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 4 points 10 months ago

Probably realizing that Democrats can now trace who bought MAGA hats and they too have guns.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Turning into" lol. The USA and all their partner countries like the ones in the 5 Eyes program have all been mass techno-surveillance states for decades.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The 5 eyes countries are not allowed to spy on their own citizens, but they can freely share data.

Isn't there an obvious loophole here.

[–] elvith@feddit.org 8 points 10 months ago

Shhhh... Don't make it even more obvious. The fig leaf covering it is already so flaccid, that it might instantaneously turn into dust at the slightest disturbance.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 4 points 10 months ago

It’s almost like it was by design.

They also just spy on their own citizens anyway, because who is going to stop them?

[–] serenissi@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

wait US is putting surveillance on techno producers?

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Here's a 20 year old album about it (it's really cool that my favorite band is called ISIS. It's neat how they broke up in 2010 but I still can only wear the merch at home)

[–] peereboominc@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

How hard did Musk press his fingers on his other hand? Or does his blood not flow that hard?