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[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 105 points 8 months ago

Why was Epic even interested in Bandcamp in the first place??

This fucking blows. Start downloading all your music you've bought, you soon won't be able to own anything online anymore.

[-] Euphoma@lemmy.ml 47 points 8 months ago

I'm pretty sure they Epic bought Bandcamp for their battle with Apple and then did literally nothing with it.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

Since I discovered bandcamp in 2017, I always downloaded all the music I bought

[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Epic doesn't care about any particular product or service. They are a publishers with aims to become a storefront, but plan to do so by passing off customers and devs and partners.

[-] Synthead@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

If you didn't download it, then what's the point?

[-] drd@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

I feel like back in March 2022 Epic did not really anticipate market conditions to continue to worsen. Big miscalculation on their part.

[-] Tak@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

Why wouldn't you plan for the worst?

I really don't understand how on one hand all of these CEOs and investor types are geniuses and just built different but on the other hand they're hiring people and firing people because they couldn't predict the line on graph doesn't always go up.

[-] drd@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If I had to guess, it's because of money. There was more incentive at the time to grow fast and try to maximize profit than to limit growth and potential profits in case of a market downturn. Tim slightly explains what happened.

For a while now, we've been spending way more money than we earn, investing in the next evolution of Epic and growing Fortnite as a metaverse-inspired ecosystem for creators. I had long been optimistic that we could power through this transition without layoffs, but in retrospect I see that this was unrealistic.

[-] SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world 80 points 8 months ago

I'm so fucking tired, you guys.

[-] beetus@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Stop reading the news and spend some time in your local community. It's the best way I've found to shake that feeling of dread and exhaustion

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

We meet under the 5th street bridge at midnight, the code word is sic semper tyrannis

[-] onlooker@lemmy.ml 44 points 8 months ago

Man, I wish Bandcamp would catch a break already, I actually like (liked?) the platform. I like supporting artists I like and I like supporting platforms that sell DRM-free music. If Bandcamp goes away and no other DRM-free alternative comes up, it's back to piracy for me.

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 41 points 8 months ago

Fuck you Epic for many reasons, but for this one in particular

[-] Tak@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

Sweeney and his supporters talking about how they give devs a better cut while also making devs work overtime and file for unemployment.

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago

This has to end at some point. Practically everything is owned by like 5 companies, and they don't even acquire them for any particular reason, other than to prevent someone else from doing the same.

[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

Reminds me of my monopoly strategy

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah, it's their monopoly strategy too. Difference is that we're playing it with toy pieces, and they're playing it for real

[-] Fluid@aussie.zone 27 points 8 months ago

Man… we can’t have anything nice… damn capitalists fucking every thing up

[-] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 18 points 8 months ago

Wow, I don't think Epic ever did anything with Bandcamp. What a terrible way to end it. What will become of the artists who use it as their main platform? I source a significant amount of my music from these artist, from that site.

[-] HKayn@dormi.zone 3 points 8 months ago

Why do you think this is the end?

[-] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 7 points 8 months ago

My apologies, I mean a terrible way for Epic to end their ownership. I hope that Bandcamp will continue and thrive but this move doesn't seem encouraging. Songtradr is monopolizing music at this point.

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[-] hai@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

Could someone fill me in on why we’re panicking about it being sold? Epic never seemed to do anything to it and it seems Songtradr is keeping it’s the same, does Songtradr have a bad track record or something?

Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just feel out of the loop.

[-] SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

Effectively firing half the employees seems like a strong sign that the new owners are going to ruin what made Bandcamp good.

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[-] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

Songtradr is a music licensing middle man, charging both artists and those looking to license their music, and somehow despite money coming in at both ends they were losing money in 2022. That does not bode well for the status quo at their new acquisition, Bandcamp, especially considering that their very first move was to fire half the staff. Songtradr doesn't care about artists or music fans, their singular and only priority is entangling artists and music distributors in their licensing scheme. They're middlemen. Middlemen are great for exploiting the free market for profit. Middlemen are at best an additional drain on profits for everyone else. Bandcamp was one of the few places you could buy digital music that really felt like ownership and not licensing locked behind DRM. The songtradr acquisition has the potential to kill development of that kind of digital and DRM-free distribution marketplace and limit investment in anything else that tries to do something similar. If songtradr continuing to lose money after the Bandcamp acquisition, it will be an example to all investors that DRM-free digital music cannot be profitable.

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


One of the worst tech labor years ever continues with the news that roughly half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off.

Epic Games bought the indie music platform back in 2022 for an undisclosed amount before selling it barely a year later.

Late last month, Epic Games laid off 16 percent of its workforce, or 830 employees, due to what CEO Tim Sweeney described as overspending.

Epic also revealed that it would sell the Bandcamp business to California-based music licensing company Songtradr.

Employees who did not receive offers from Songtradr were notified today and will be eligible for severance.

In an email to The Verge, Songtradr confirmed that 50 percent of Bandcamp employees have been extended offers to join Songtradr and reaffirmed from a previous statement the company’s commitment to keeping the Bandcamp experience the same.


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[-] quams69@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Anyone got alternatives?

[-] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago
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