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Why do some apps need to be installed using root, and others do not? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by yaaaaayPancakes@lemmy.world to c/revanced@lemmy.world

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Basically, the title. I've used revanced to patch YouTube and Reddit's app. YouTube only seems to work if I install as root. Reddit's app only seems to work if I don't use root. Wondering why that is.

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[–] raldone01@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

YouTube works without root. It's just an issue with the proprietary split APK format Google introduced. You have to download the APK manually from a site like apkmirror.

Google creators of the still too open android os.

Edit: The information above is only paritally correct. https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/152120286?pli=1 The issue is that when Google introduced split apks and bundles it did not provide a standard implemention in AOSP leading to fragmentation and proprietary formats by third parties. In the past AOSP could just install apks but these new split APK formats need separate apps to handle them if they are available.

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google creators of the still too open android os.

I'm not finding anything.

[–] raldone01@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Right. Google primary developers of the still too open android os.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is nonsense. What are you trying to say?

[–] raldone01@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Maybe I am wrong but they are developing the AOSP primarily right? I read a few things in the past that they are dropping lots of standard apps which custom ROMs have to implement themselves.

This is the event I remembered but I think there were some more: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-kill-android-aosp-dialer-messages-app-3334980/

[–] yaaaaayPancakes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Google has stopped developing the aosp apps that we consider core phone os functionality (dialer, contacts, etc). Because usually when aosp is forked and distributed, those apps are supplied by the distribution and unused.

It sucks and it puts more effort on the rom devs. But tbh we're many years into this, I'd prefer Google focus on the core os efforts and let the distributions take care of the app bits of the OS. Not totally unlike how linux focuses on the kernel only, and the apps that make up an os as we see it (browser, file manager, etc) are handled by others focused on building those bits (ie KDE, gnome, etc).

[–] yaaaaayPancakes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting. It doesn't seem like that works for me.

I've been getting the universal apk from apk mirror since using revanced. If I use the non root method of install (after selecting the apk from storage) it just exits. But if I install the universal apk first, then use the root method to install after patching the installed apk, it works.

I probably just don't understand something correctly.

[–] raldone01@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe root vs nonroot microg mismatch?

[–] yaaaaayPancakes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't use microg. I still have play services installed.

It feels like I have the best success downloading the universal apks from apk mirror, installing them, patching the installed apk, and installing the patched apk as root. And when I upgrade to the next version, uninstalling the app first, and repeating the above steps with the new version.

[–] raldone01@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah but as far as I know YouTube revanced uses microg regardless of you having the gapps.