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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/4958707

I find this bleak in ways it’s hard to even convey

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[–] narr1@lemmy.ml 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

There are ways that LLMs can be used to better one's life (apparently in some software dev circles these can be and are used to make workflow more efficient) and this can also be one of them, because the part that sucks most about therapy (after the whole monetary thing) is trying to find the form of therapy that works for you, and finding a therapist that you can work with. Every human is different, and that contains both the patient and the therapist, and not everyone can just start working together right off the bat. Not to mention how long it takes for a new therapist to actually get to know you to improve the odds of the cooperation working.

Obviously I'm not saying "replace all therapists with AIs controlled by racist capitalist pigs with ulterior motives", but I have witnessed people in my own life who have had some immediate help from a fucking chatbot, which is kinda ridiculous. So in times of distress (say a borderline having such an anxiety attack that they can't calm themselves because they don't know what to do to the vicious cycle of thought and emotional response) and for immediate help a well-developed, non-capitalist LLM might be of invaluable help, especially if an actual human can't be reached if for an example (in this case) the borderline lives in a remote area and it is the middle of the night, as I can tell from personal experience it very often is. And though not every mental health emergency requires first responders on the scene or even a trip to the hospital, there is still a possibility of both being needed eventually. So a chatbot with access to necessary information in general (like techniques for self-soothing e.g. breathing exercises and so forth) and possibly even personal information (like diagnostic and medication history, though this would raise more privacy concerns to be assessed) and the capability to parse and convey them in a non-belittling way (as some doctors and nurses can be real fucking assholes at times) could/would possibly save lives.

So the problem here is capitalism, surprising no-one.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

You're missing the most important point here; quoting:

A human therapist might not or is less likely to share any personal details about your conversations with anyone. An AI therapist will collate, collect, catalog, store and share every single personal detail about you with the company that owns the AI and share and sell all your data to the highest bidder.

Plus, an AI cannot really have your best interest at heart, plus these sorts of things open up a whole slew of very dytopian scenarios.

OK, you said "capitalism" but that's way too broad.

Also I find the example of a "mental health emergency" (as in, right now, not tonight or tomorrow) in a remote area, presumably with nobody else around to help, a bit contrived. But OK, in such extremely rare cases - presuming broadband internet still works, and the person in question is savvy enough to use the chatbot - it might be better than nothing.

[–] NewDayRocks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

But if you are facing mental health issues and a free or inexpensive AI that is available and doesn't burden your friends actually helps you, do you really care about your information and being profited from?

Put it this way, if Google was being super transparent with you and said, "we'll help treat you, and in exchange we use your info to make a few thousand dollars." Will you the individual say, "no thanks I'd rather pay a few hundred per therapy session instead"?

Even if you hate it, you have to admit it's hard to say no. Especially if it works.

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[–] narr1@lemmy.ml 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. And if you remove the very concept of capital gain from your "important point", I think you'll find your point to be moot.

I'm also going to assume you haven't been in such a situation as I described with the whole mental health emergency? Because I have. At best I went to the emergency and calmed down before ever seeing a doctor, and at worst I was committed to inpatient care (or "the ward" as it's also known) before I calmed down, taking resources from the treatment of people who weren't as unstable as I was, a problem which could've been solved with a chatbot. And I can assure you there are people who live outside the major metropolitan areas of North America, it isn't an extremely rare case as you claim.

Anyway, my point stands.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 points 19 hours ago

if you remove the very concept of capital gain from your “important point”, I think you’ll find your point to be moot.

Profit or not: How is it OK if your personal data is shared with third and fourth parties? How is it OK that AI allows for manipulating vulnerable people in new and unheard of ways?

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com -4 points 18 hours ago

Other people: my outlook is so bad I turned to religion to feel better

You: EW GROSS DON'T DO THAT

Other people: ok then I'll turn to technology instead

You: EW GROSS DON'T DO THAT

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