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As posted about recently in !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works and !fediverselore@lemmy.ca it seems that @nutomic@lemmy.ml's stance on transphobia has not changed and his apology only seems to be that he was sorry he got caught and that someone leaked the DM. This is concerning for an admin of Lemmy.ml and the leader of the project. I don't think this means we should stop using Lemmy, it's open-source and even if they embed donation links, they can be stripped out in our fork. But it does make me wonder if we should consider defederating lemmy.ml on that merit. Since if they hold such views on trans issues, it's very likely they won't have any desire to act on that type of transphobia being expressed on their instance.

I know that Lemmy.ml has and does handle overt transphobia well, but I can't speak to their ability to handle less overt or thinly veiled transphobia, and this incident doesn't inspire much confidence either.

Edit: Since some people haven't seen the original. I decided to include it here. Warning, it contains transphobia, if you don't want to see that, don't open the spoiler.

CW: Transphobic talking points

I'd really like to hear Feedback from Blahaj's local community on this, I'm not as interested in outside opinions here so please try to refrain from top-level commenting if you aren't from lemmy.blahaj.zone (I will ignore them if you comment anyway from a remote instance).

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[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 day ago

This looks like a fight trying to be picked, not something to defederate over.

[–] Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Tankies showing us how close to right wing conservatives they really are. How unusual /s. Makes one look at this particular crowd's big push to not vote in elections against a wannabe bigot fascist a little differently..

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Makes one look at this particular crowd's big push to not vote in elections against a wannabe bigot fascist a little differently

Maybe for some, but I've been saying for over a year that the "leftist" "don't vote" crowd was actively shooting the cause the supposedly believe in right in the leg.

Nothing says "I believe in leftist ideals and the plight of the proletariat" like actively promoting pathways that are explicitly letting the Nazis take power.

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[–] VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Lemmy.ml doesn't tolerate transphobia regardless of nutomic's views and probably has a bigger trans userbase than even blahaj. Stop stirring drama.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's plenty of other things the other admins and mods do that is worthy of consideration of defederation

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

^ pretty much sums up my thoughts on .ML

There's certainly nice folks and great communities over there, but the bad faith arguments, "russia/china can do no wrong" propaganda (i had to block Yogthos to have literally anything show up in my All feed, JFC the spam posting), and outright hostile moderation, it just isn't worth engaging with.

[–] theLetterJ@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How about you butt out of server discussions unless you're a user of that server?

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lemmy devs being bigoted it's more likely than it think

i really wish there was a valid lemmy alternative software or wish postmill implemented atproto or ap :(

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is one of the major reasons I’m supportive of Beehaw migrating platforms

Edit: didn’t realize which com this was on

[–] Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago

Beehaw users and communities always give me good vibes. Even before I looked the instance up and saw that good vibes are its thing. And if that entire instance left Lemmy, I think that would be pretty sad because we need all of the good vibes and good people around here that we can get.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

not because its only transphobia, but the obvious misinformation they believe in, much like right wingers do. glad i can block both hexbear and ml instances.

[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago

Yes. There should be no handwringing over this. If admins/mods for an instance are bigoted, fash, or other such things then they deserve to get defederated as they will allow many bad things and spread their hate. It is best to isolate them as they want to spread their hate and convert more people, that's their entire goal.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'd really hate to lose !linux@lemmy.ml honestly, it's the largest community for Linux stuff, and a big part of what I spend my time on Lemmy doing. While the stuff Nutomic has said is awful, I'd also really like to see instances of moderation on lemmy.ml that are problematic/transphobic before making the call to defederate.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

!linux@programming.dev is within striking distance of beating !linux@lemmy.ml in MAUs

Comm Subscriber count is misleading and can easily be full of dead accounts

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago

Yep, bad views don't just stop at one particular thing. Flagship instances often go this way sadly, and thus should be defederated from unless they significantly improve.

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[–] theLetterJ@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Defederate, and I would have said the same if you asked me yesterday.

[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 14 points 1 day ago

I never really liked his ideas, trans-related or not, but why the hell was he saying all of that just for a (presumably) message about a Firefox plugin???????

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml -3 points 20 hours ago (9 children)

I'm disappointed in nutomic's statements as well. I won't be donating him any money, but it seems hypocritical to say you won't stop using Lemmy, but you want to defed from .ml.

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[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Admin Ping for @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone to weigh in on this issue with her thoughts and opinions on the matter.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Migrate to piefed. Donate to piefed.

This shit ends when the problematic and cringe Lemmy devs lose the power of owning the platform. There are other mature activitypub projects, and literally all we need to do is support them.

The problem with moving to another server software is that there's a much bigger developer ecosystem around Lemmy. Other projects simply can't match that.

Like, there are multiple Lemmy clients in Google Play and F-Droid, for example. There isn't even one for PieFed in either store.

[–] lookupgeorgism@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why is it not enough to just switch Lemmy server or block ml instances?

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[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What statement about transgender people are we talking about?

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[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

Would be so good to see

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