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[–] commander@lemmy.world 89 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Damn. People here sure love purity testing. The guy could pay for their cancer treatment and still slap him every chance because they got it wrong publicly in the past but once you get it wrong publicly once, you're out of the club. Go be a conservative we don't want you. When someone at Tuta has a bad year and ends up in the wrong publicly, find another email service to try and convince people to go too. Probably worse in functionality than Tuta as you go down to smaller and worse funded efforts in this niche field of Internet activism

But people here do it here too to Mozilla because they don't like their social outreach programs and their attempts to get advertising revenue so screw Mozilla too. So because nothing but perfection is acceptable, push away people that may be adjacent/left leaning right and switch to less developed products. Switch from Firefox and attack Mozilla who do the bulk of Firefox development and use Waterfox who do a custom deployment/build. Pure display of perfection being the enemy of good here.

You want people to embrace privacy but keep whiplashing people around when the org/anyone in leadership says something wrong. Screw Signal, they're not perfect. Screw Matrix/Element, some developer said something one day so it's all bad. I'm surprised anyone here uses any privacy software or a major open source software like Linux or Krita or Blender at the risk that someone in the background may be wrong in someway which I am 100% certain they exist in important positions. Same with Lemmy

Go back to the 60s and you all would be shitting on Fred Hampton for accepting the impure and the color coalition for everyone that had ever said something wrong. Al Franken definitely would not make it with y'all. Y'all can't build up leftist communities because y'all are bitter assholes that can't move on and spend so much time purity testing. Y'all are probably mediocre too so can't make a difference in privacy and data ownership activism anyways so should be lining up to support not just Tuta, someone hasn't screwed up publicly yet, and Proton

Reminds me of Aung San Suu Kyi. She was under the gun of the military ruling class that permitted limited democratic government and because she didn't make speech as if she lived in the US, a bunch of Americans turned on her and celebrated when the military dictatorship came back to rule and put her in prison the moment it seemed like the civilian government would actually assert more power

[–] anachrohack@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (10 children)

It's not a purity test so much as a fear that publicly signaling loyalty to trump devalued their trustworthiness as private and secure. If their CEO legitimately believes that Republicans are better on tech policy than democrats because conservatives want to weaponize the federal government to control speech online, then I don't really trust him not to cooperate with federal authorities when they want to access someone's emails or vpn traffic. Conservatives are simply not trustworthy to me

[–] socsa@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This. It's amazing how naive people here can be just because they fanboyed some random CEO before they were revealed to be problematic.

[–] commander@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's just ad hominem to say people are fanboying the CEO. I never heard the name of the CEO until people started complaining about him. Then I read the statements he put out and that people are hysterical over and reading into as if he's some Trump fanboy. The guys not even an American. He doesn't live in the US. He just runs a service as an alternative to the big tech companies. Was he even in the US for anything but his university years and he's 40?

Americans read more into him than his record and statements say. Not everyone's politics revolve around Americans. I'm waiting for American leftist to turn on Shawn Fain too for supporting Trump auto tariffs and be anti auto workers union because too many in the union are Trump supporters and even someone in opposition like Shawn Fain is supporting a Trump policy. That's even more direct and influential than a guy in Europe that runs a niche privacy centric internet service company

Problematic, barely. It's a handful of statements months ago compared to his life of work. Magnifying glass to your whole life and people would likely find something problematic. If this guy is representative of what a problematic person is, the world would be pretty solid. Waste of energy to be so anti this guy and Proton when it's a service more conducive to privacy rights than anything I or probably any of us have done. Problematic has become such an empty insult with how easily it's thrown around with such passion. Waste of passion

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah a lot of people fan over celeberties politicians or CEO’s, but at the same time a lot of people also hate those same people for various reasons. And people believe in bad against bad and not even the law anymore and don’t believe in second changes or forgiveness.

We call that, the internet.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Should have done a valve and allowed selling anywhere but require price parity. Now from their greed there will be financial incentive for people to use another platform.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 45 points 3 days ago (11 children)

I am sad because of all the people in this thread who think the CEO is "fascist-sympathetic" because he said Trump did something better than the Democrats one time.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, having only just switched from GMail to Proton last week my heart sank when I saw “Proton are MAGA”.

Then I spent three minutes reading up on it and it’s like, the CEO said one thing about policy on regulation of big tech that was critical of the Democrats for not doing enough, and the internet has decided that means he’s MAGA.

[–] anachrohack@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

He said Republicans are better on tech policy than democrats. Republicans tech policy is motivated entirely by the fact that their racist and conspiratorial views were getting them banned on social media sites from 2015 - 2024

Conservatives have absolutely zero principles. If they say they want to break up big tech, it's because they want to control it in some way. They want the platforms to promote speech that's beneficial to them.

If you believe that Republicans truly are better for tech policy than democrats, then you either whole-heartedly agree that a group of criminals and wannabe dictators should be able to destroy any business that publishes speech against them, or you are extremely gullible. Either way, why would I want to give you my business?

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[–] nous@programming.dev 362 points 4 days ago (17 children)

Yen also pointed out how such a court decision could help cut inflation in the US, too, "by dropping the price of a significant chunk of digital purchases by 30% overnight".

I bet most companies will just take that extra 30% as profit rather than giving it back to their users like proton has.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 81 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Yeah, even of the companies don’t pocket the difference, he’s an idiot to suggest that this will cut inflation.

This guy is just not very smart, I think.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 111 points 4 days ago (26 children)

I think he’s a salesperson trying to sell the idea that getting rid of the apple tax is good for consumers.

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[–] StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

They just lowering the prices cause of his backlash for supporting Trump.

Fuck Proton. Snitching ass bitches.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago

It's time to end monopolies

[–] philycheeze@sh.itjust.works 129 points 4 days ago (26 children)

Do he still think fascism is good for small businesses though?

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[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 48 points 3 days ago (6 children)

So, Mr. Yen, are you still sympathetic to the republicans, who have a disdain for the same courts that gave you a win?

Or is your head burried so deep in your particle accelerator you don't even have any clue about politics?

Dude thinks he knows everything because he has a PhD in Physics, literally out of touch with the politics that anyone doing 5 minutes of web searching can understand.

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[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 65 points 3 days ago (1 children)

“Up to”…… here’s 5% off

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[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But I already use proton and purchased outside the Apple Store (on the proton website) and use it on my iPhone? What changed?

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[–] suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee 87 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

If they can charge 30% less without Apple's fees, then why are their prices the same whether you buy on their iOS app or direct on their website? Why have they been overcharging users who don't buy through the iOS app by 30% all this time?

[–] Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 110 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Old knowledge disclaimer, but if they didn't change it then:

Because Apple literally tells people that they're not allowed to charge less somewhere else - at least that was the case several years ago...

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