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[-] Dmian@lemmy.world 71 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Israel has all the right to defend themselves from a Hamas attack, nobody should question that.

What they don’t have the right to, is to punish the whole population of Gaza by cutting the water an energy supply. How is that allowed? Why nobody is condemning that? Netanyahu is just starting a second Nakba. That shouldn’t be allowed.

And if Europe really recognizes the right of the Palestinian population to freedom and justice, they should start by denouncing the illegal settlements of the West Bank. How is being stripped of your land or home justice? How is being forced to pay a fee to leave the Gaza strip freedom?

Of course, Hamas needs to stop with the terrorist attacks, and recognize the right of Israel to exist. The PLO did this, and it was a step for peace.

But you can’t achieve piece by only putting the burden on one side. As long as Israel’s illegal annexation of territories is not denounced and stopped, only asking Palestine to respect Israel is being unfair, to say the least.

Both sides are doing terrible things to the other, but only one side is condemned, and only one side is being supported. This will not bring anything close to peace.

Just in case it’s not sufficiently clear: terrorist attacks are unacceptable, and should never be a tool to achieve anything. I’m not justifying Hamas in any capacity.

[-] branchial@feddit.de 26 points 8 months ago

What should Palestinians do in your opinion? Their secular leaders are arrested, the peaceful demonstrators shot at. The only movement that Netanyahu allowed in Gaza was the Hamas. What's left for Palestinians to do other than break out and attack the IDF bases around them.

[-] Dmian@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Honestly, I have no idea. They’re cornered in Gaza, without resources and any way to reach a viable future. And they’re losing territories by the day in the West Bank.

War may result, most probably, in a Israeli win. Terrorism is always denounced by the international community. And trying a peaceful solution will only serve for settlers to keep occupying their territories, and obliterating their population.

They’re in a dire situation, and without a powerful ally they’re going to get exterminated by right wing Israeli forces…

This attack looks like a desperate attempt at gaining some attention and a possible point of negotiation. But they’re in a very vulnerable position.

It’s incredibly sad.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 26 points 8 months ago

I find this statement pathetic in its ignorance to the shared responsibility of all the signatories to further violent escalation. Saying that they want Israel to defend itself is correct, but combining this with the notion that Israel would be the one setting the conditions for a peaceful and integrated Middle East is absurd.

First of all it is absurd because the US with its invasion of Iraq, as well as its support for the ISIS and Al Quaida supporter Saudi Arabia has done nothing but deliberately destabilize the Middle East.

Second of all Israel has not shown any move towards creating a peaceful solution with the Palestinians. Instead it has aided the terroristic settlers to drive Palestinians in the West Bank off their land and many times just murder them. The rhetoric of Israel has shifted and became more hostile and violent well before the attacks from Hamas and Israel let its fundamentalist settler groups defile one of the most holy sites of Islam, the Al-Aqsa mosque this year.

All of this happened while western countries stood by, at best making a small reminder to not kill civillians and escalate tensions. If the western countries had drawn clear lines and gave real diplomatic repercussions to Israel, they could have forced Israel to not sabotage the peace process and making tangible steps towards finding a peaceful solution.

But these countries stood by and did nothing, full well knowing that the tensions will escalate into violence.

[-] jsdz@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago

It took them a couple of days to come up with this statement about the horrific attacks from Hamas. Maybe they just need a little more time to come up with their statement concerning the even more destructive responses from Israel.

[-] Plantee@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It is a shame the international community has taken so little effort to prevent bloodshed. The terrible terrorist attacks are the symptoms of the unhealthy and hostile environment. The numbers in the link below just show that there was enough reason to put more effort and discussion in this region.

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

[-] bedrooms@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Israel is about to go special military operation, and the western leaders give a go-ahead. Sorry but this time I have to compare these monsters to Putin.

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 0 points 8 months ago

This shows the hypocrisy of western leaders.

Imagine how we in the future will call Ukrainians terrorists for resisting a much bigger power such as Russia, if Russia ever succeeds to occupy most if not all of Ukraine?

How desperate must the measures be before you go from being a freedom fighter to becoming a terrorist?

[-] Sodis@feddit.de 12 points 8 months ago

Last time I checked Ukrainians did not massacre civilians.

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 3 points 8 months ago

No, that’s the Russians at the moment.

[-] branchial@feddit.de -3 points 8 months ago

support equal measures of justice and freedom for Israelis and Palestinians alike

yeah right. What support has Palestine ever gotten.

Israel is able to ... set the conditions for a peaceful and integrated Middle East region

fucking lol

[-] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

Didn't the US fail to recognize Palestine as a country for decades? Definitely not "equal" support. That being said, this is all a shit show and no one is going to be better off for what is happening here.

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