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I lived a lot of my life as a boy and man (gross), so relationships I had with women were visibly heterosexual in that period.

Nonetheless, because I was so effeminate as a man, I was commonly seen as gay and I often felt like I was not "straight-passing" even though my relationship was viewed as straight, even when I insisted I was straight, etc.

After transitioning, it feels like for the first time my effeminate nature aligned with my perceived female gender, and people no longer perceived me as gay - it's like I became "straight" for the first time in my life.

Simultaneously, my relationship went from straight to gay. When I was visibly trans and not cis-passing, the relationship was obviously "queer" or "gay" to other people, which made my partner very happy (she loves being visibly queer, which is not something I enjoy as much).

Once I started to pass as a cis woman, suddenly our relationship became perceived as platonic - people started asking if we need one or two checks at a restaurant where before they assumed we were together. Even when we are affectionate with one another it seems like people don't assume we are in a romantic relationship. It's like the relationship has become invisible.

I know from communities like /r/reallesbians that we often struggle to be visible to one another (esp. it seems for people to know who is a candidate to date), and people talk about what signals lesbians commonly use to identify to others that they are gay or bi, etc. - so I suspect others might feel the way I do too, it's like society doesn't consider my relationship "valid" anymore.

When I clarify that we are partners, it feels like we are given a second-class designation as a relationship, as though it were a relationship between young people or children. Whereas when we were perceived as straight I felt like we were treated like we were really together, that the relationship was serious.

Been thinking about this, so I thought I'd put it out there. Part of the problem is that I live in a homophobic and conservative place, so I know that doesn't help - does anyone have experiences moving to more liberal places where they felt suddenly like their queer relationship was taken more seriously?

Even when I was visibly trans, I think a lot of people still took our "queer"-visible relationship seriously because they coded it as still a kind of "heterosexual" relationship (between a male and a female). I feel like the cis-passing woman with woman relationship is considered less valid, taken less seriously by comparison.

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bi here, but yes, people default to assuming we are friends/brother a lot (that last one was a very weird assumption on someone's part).

Tbh, it will probably be a thing forever, just since we will always be a sexual minority. I really hammer people's assumptions because I dated women all my life, then fell in love with a guy, haha.

At the end of the day, I just don't care that much, I just want to spend time with family/friends/husband, and these minor faux pas from strangers are ok.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I should clarify, I'm also bi.

Are you a man in a gay relationship with a man? (Sorry, confused by the "friends/brother" part.)

I think this dismissal mattered more in situations where I'm interacting with the police or ER staff (I was recently in a car accident, so it's very salient right now) - I don't care too much what a waitress thinks (though my partner is bothered by it, I am not - if anything I'm thrilled to finally get that sweet "straight-passing" privilege), but I very much do care when lawyers, insurance adjusters, cops, nurses, doctors, etc. are dismissive of my relationship and don't treat it like they did when they thought we were a heterosexual couple.

Anyway - thanks for the perspective!!

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago

Yep, same-sex relationship with another guy!

And yeah, I totally get that! It can be really frustrating. Though so far, doctors and the like have been fine with our relationship (I tend to ask them lots of questions about health stuff and same sex couples, out of curiosity) :3

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People often have trouble seeing what doesn't fit into their preconceptions about the world; as in, what's physically right in front of us literally might not exist in our reality.

Our brain basically runs a simulation of the outside world so we can understand it, as it doesn't need all the information our senses could theoretically pick up. That simulation is informed by our past experiences more than what is actually happening, with our senses double checking that the simulation is accurate rather than recording things.

People are used to seeing friends when it's two women, and a couple with a man and a woman. It just "seems right" to their brain because it's how they understand people to fit together, even if it's not how the world actually works. Heteronormativity literally makes us not exist in their eyes unless we make ourselves known. Homosexuality doesn't compute

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

This is perfect, because the way I would explain it is that my relationship has become invisible.