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[StreetComplete] Is this stop lit? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 3 months ago by merde@sh.itjust.works to c/openstreetmap@lemmy.ml
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Do i select yes, because it, even if unintentionally, is lit or do i choose yes only when the bus stop has its own lights?

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[–] Niquarl@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I map it as lit if there is a decent amount of light even if the source of the light isn't for or that close to the bus stop. I believe StreetComplete says to tag lit regardless of a dedicated bus stop light.

The point is to convey to users if the bus stop will be dark or not, who cares if they added the lamp post exclusively for the bus stop.

I however wouldn't tag bench or bin or shelter if it's not clearly within the bus stop area. Having a bench ten meters from the stop because there is a park next to it doesn't work for me.

[–] PorcupineSlippers@lemmy.ml 66 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not sure either way but I just wanted to compliment the drawing. Well done

[–] filtoid@lemmy.ml 46 points 3 months ago

I'm not particularly aware of the rules of the community but I would assume the intention is to indicate if the bus stop is "lit safely" for those who feel more vulnerable at night, such as women, the very young, and the very old. So I would perhaps interpret it that way - does it feel "safe" for things such as if a paving stone is loose, would you see it, or could an attacker get too close before you saw them.

[–] enemenemu@lemm.ee 44 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why would you put a dedicated bus stop street lamp right besides the street lamp?

To me, this is lit. If one removes the street lamp it is no longer lit.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

i've seen the same sort of stops all through this village (small city?) and their placements seems clearly arbitrary. I chose no for all the others. This one was confusing.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 37 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This discussion is both lit and bussin

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 10 points 3 months ago

Frfr, No cap on god

[–] hamlet@en.osm.town 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@merde it seems that yes. (https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/streetcomplete-is-it-lit/98916/2)

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago

thanks. That's very helpful

I will tag it as lit

[–] tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 20 points 3 months ago

I love this community court. Need some second opinions when there are edge cases.

[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 3 months ago

It's called "lit" and not "lamp", so from my interpretation, it's just about whether there's light there or it's dark. Practically speaking, it doesn't really matter anyway where the light comes from when it comes to whether it's dark there or not.

[–] Doudouosm@en.osm.town 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@merde "Lit" is broad in OpenStreetMap. The Wiki is enlightening on this (pun intended): "Lights do not need to be purpose-built to lit this specific object". See also the tagging examples and accompanying pictures of bus stops:
- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lit
- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus/_stop

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

for example footway lit by a billboard or nearby motorway still can be lit=yes.

then we can't answer this question unless it's night, when we can check for all possible light sources around the stop

[–] Doudouosm@en.osm.town 4 points 3 months ago

@merde Yes, strictly speaking, it would require visual inspection. Depending on the situation and surroundings, common sense could suffice.

[–] vatlark@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Thank you for asking, I have wondered the same.