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Chinese chip giants say they don't care about U.S. tariffs — many don't sell to the U.S. anyway due to existing sanctions (www.tomshardware.com)

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

US warmongering has forced China into a "delete America" program with critical priority for chips. In the short term, this harms humanity and US dominance through lower market access, and lower US R&D due to less market access. In long term, it harms US dominance by forcing China to surpass them.

[+] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone -7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Allowing an enemy to produce critical parts was also a non-starter for the usa though

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Enemy is entirely US's choice. China did not deny PPE to US during covid, even if demand was larger than supply rates. Now that covid is over, PPE is imported from China again. National security can mean subsidies to allow factories to be ready to shift/ramp production, not because other nations have to be enemies, but because demand could skyrocket, and government could care about US lives. Manufacturing an enemy risks those lives.

US weapon systems rely on Chinese electronics to this day. Destroying US clean energy and EV sector will destroy domestic supply chain expansion, and retain Chinese dominance over US weapon systems, and future economy. A pure propaganda misinformation system for warmongering evil is no basis for progress or sustainability, or recognizing weaknesses that could have time to fix.

But war on China move I referred to was banning sales of US patent protected fab equipment, and advanced chips to China. That is the harm to western innovation that dooms it from loss of access to world's largest electronic device market. Though in the long term, humanity will be benefitted from the competition from China. Just US stock market/companies will suffer from the policy.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Enemy is entirely US's choice

China threatening taiwan is not the usa's choice.

China's consistent copyright theft is not the USA's choice.

There's plenty to say on both sides of why they're enemies. Do not spout lies that portray china as innocent please.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Copyright" theft. Hahaha.

"Please agree to obey our rules controlled by our corpos."

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 day ago

It's an actively hostile act, regardless of what your beliefs are on the copyright system.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

the us has recognized taiwan as part of china since the 70s.

it was their choice to flipflop on this issue, and its also their choice to meddle all the way over there.

us copyright laws are frankly draconian.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

China's desire for unification is not directly a threat. US sponsored divisiveness in Taiwan is meant to control Taiwanese into unreasonable acts. Current President is US puppet, but parliamentary majority is against suicide. Provoking the destruction of Taiwan (which US promises to do if it/Taiwan were to lose against China), comes from Taiwanese declaration of some kind.

China’s consistent copyright theft is not the USA’s choice.

These are 20 year old accusations. China today is innovating on its own.

Do not spout lies that portray china as innocent please.

You could have criticisms of China, and any other state. if the purpose of any criticism is to manufacture an enemy, then it is automatically disingenous, compared to a request for them to do better, and then instead of repeating 20 or 40 year old criticism, having a willingness to notice if the problem behaviour has ceased.

You're suggesting that innocent vs guilty of your accusations deserves an enemy status. Is US guilty of worse? If so, you should help China overthrow US government. Most usually, hate comes before throwing any and all shit you can imagine against your hate target.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

China's desire for unification is not directly a threat.

With important manufacturing that would inevitably get destroyed in a war, it's a direct threat.

These are 20 year old accusations. China today is innovating on its own.

They're a whole hell of a lot younger than 20 years old. It's recent issue.

having a willingness to notice if the problem behaviour has ceased.

Also this, you think it's just fine to not pay restitution? It's also not ceased. Same thing, steal the design produce it cheaper with slave labor or borderline slave labor is ongoing.

You're suggesting that innocent vs guilty of your accusations deserves an enemy status.

It's enough to establish china has a hostile foreign state, yes.

Is US guilty of worse?

Irrelevant. This is about if they did things to establish themselves as a hostile foreign power. You're pretending they did no aggression, that's what I'm referring to.

[–] kureta@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why is China an enemy of the USA?

[–] ghostface@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because China has been engaged in a civil among itself with a US or western friendly faction surviving on Taiwan.

This is the reason why the other world leaders dont recognize Taiwan.

There's also Tibet... China has secret police stations across the globe spying and harassing citizens of nations who have expatriated...

The Philippines... Japan... Opium wars...

Not really a enemy but a frienemy.

[–] kureta@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago

China has secret police stations across the globe spying and harassing citizens

My dude. USA...

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago (3 children)

To add to this, it appears that only about 15% of China's exports go to the US. I thought it's much more than that.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

2% of China's GDP also, so noticeable but not the knife in the side that the Whitehouse seems to think it is.

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

1000007421

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago

For this number, is it related to the Chinese government GDP numbers, or independently measured? My understanding is that the CCP use GDP differently that the West, in that they release numbers which are prescriptive estimates and goals, as opposed to statistical results.

[–] kureta@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sorry for sharing an Instagram link but this beauty here. chef's kiss.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIX3V5RN6Er/

[–] NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

Loving the clarity of China's position on this

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Ouch. Well said.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

its down to 12%

[–] vegeta@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Shroedinger's Tariffs?

[–] HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think the cat is definitely dead

[–] Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah but it’s being “weekend at Bernie’d” and half the country thinks it’s fine.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

Still bouncing though.

[–] aleq@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

If a tariff falls on a product category but no one is around to hear it, did it even make a sound?

[+] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com -18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

American manufacturers don't buy Chinese chips because they're really bad

[–] Soleos@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah this view is pretty dated. Like it or not, China has caught up and started leading in several industries over the last 10 years. They have the capacity, skills, and domestic demand for competitive high quality products. Their domestic chip from SIMV is only a few years behind at "5nm" which was the 2021 standard. I'm still playing modern games on a 8 year old i7. Most consumers who use their phones for social media probably wouldn't notice much difference between a 2021 phone vs 2025 phone besides a better camera and software.

[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do you have a five year old phone or CPU? Congrats, you have the same performance of Chinese chips. Except you paid 10x more

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago

Huawei chips are tariff free?