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We don't get nice things anymore, only "American things".
Yeah, I'm fucking over this clown. Every tech hobby I have is not American made, nor will it ever be, because some materials need to be imported even if they want it to be American made.
We're on a one track train to the dark ages...
Mwah, pretty competitive pricing. Hope this catches on.
That's probably the pricing before including anything (cpu, ram, ssd, ports.)
Cpu is included, but the others yes. Still a good price tho.
Keep in mind that the 569,-€ is for the DIY edition and does not include RAM, SSD (2230 form factor) or expansion cards. So assuming you're starting with nothing the cheapest price would be about this:
- Framework Laptop 12 569,-€
- 8 GB DDR5-5600 22,-€
- 256 GB M.2 2230 SSD 34,-€
- 4 expansion cards, ex. 2 USB-C, 2 USB-A 40,-€ (other cards are more expensive)
So about 665,-€ at current pricing from Germany, not including individual shipping costs of the RAM and SSD. If you require/want Windows then that would need to be factored in as well.
Obviously quite a bit cheaper compared to the 13, but I doubt this will impact the education market that this is supposed to target (unless edu gets steep discounts).
The point of the DIY edition is that you could just reuse some old RAM or SSDs. Maybe another $50 for a good set. Then they sell refurbished expansion cards (that are currently out of stock) for $34.
The point of the DIY edition is that you could just reuse some old RAM or SSDs.
In theory, yes. I don't think it is very likely that people have DDR5 SO-DIMM modules lying around, let alone 2230 SSDs. I don't understand why they weren't able to go for the way more common 2280 form factor for the SSD at least.
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You also need to include a 60w power adapter.
You can BYO…
Of course. But the comment above says if you start from nothing.
Yes, but most people are more likely to have a USB-C power adapter lying around than an SSD or RAM.
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This would make one hell of an impact at my school in Australia, our school sells shitty cheap laptops for $1200 AUD (around €723), but the licenses for software are provided by the government and the laptops tend to cost less than half the school sells them for, so the framework laptop 12 would definitely be preferable, including with the add-ons you mentioned.
A little sidenote, I have no clue how it's legal for the school to price gouge us like that for literally the cheapest ThinkPads or other laptops possible.
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Meh, no Ryzen option... :-/
Yeah. Pity indeed. Also think the stylus is coming soon (TM). Still I wouldn't mind one.
Yeah, gotta jump to the 13 (waiting for mine with a ryzen 7 350 now).
FWIW, they had very specific goals with the 12 and outlined the reasoning in a video.
Good article, but dear god, either hire an editor, or put it through a spelling and grammar checker. Preferably both.
I dont need a laptop right now but damn this thing is sexy. Its been a long time since hardware gave me that "do want" itch even though i dont need it. Ryzen would have been great but even with an Intel SOC this thing is a compelling package.
Huh, only has one memory slot. Single channel is certainly a choice and is unfortunately enough to make me write this off...
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These look great... But no backlit keyboard option :(
Good, at least no keayboard with the letters getting easily worn off
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This looks nice but the prices are insane. €2,787.00 for a good FL 16 build? You have to even pay extra from USB ports. I can buy more or less as good Slimbook for half that price. Is the serviceability really worth it if my laptop will last 5-10 years anyway? I mean I can buy another entire Slimbook in 5 years and not spend that much more. What's the justification for that?
I think the idea is that at the point when you would upgrade you would just buy the new motherboard rather than a whole new laptop so the future prices will be cheaper for you but the price to initially get on board is kind of steep because of it. But this is also putting a lot of trust in that at the time you want to upgrade they'll still be making compatible boards.
I had this perspective too when I made the decision to buy one in 2022. But recently what I learned is that their modern gen mainboards often cost between 2/3rds - 3/4ths of a full laptop with the exact same CPU from competitors.
With the amount I have spent on the initial purchase, and now an upgraded board, I would have easily been able to buy two laptops from some other company. I likely would have also ended up having a better display, a better battery than what was available in 2022, newer wifi, and so forth. So no, "upgradability" is not an actual benefit of Framework laptops in my experience.
That aside, I ultimately don't regret my purchase because I did spill a beer on it last year and I was able to fix it for about $50 worth of parts. Framework's value comes almost entirely from being able to repair it and eco-friendliness/sustainability.
It's sad that eco friendliness comes at a premium
FYI, their RAM and SSD prices are often almost double what you can find elsewhere -- at least that's the case in the US. Getting a DIY edition and buying these components separately will likely make the price a tiny bit easier to swallow. Still, spec wise alone it will never be a great value.
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But isn't this an American company?
The laptops are manufactured in Taiwan. There's so much unpredictability in the tariffs so they're delaying until it settles down. Tariffs are going to impact US companies and US residents.
Personally I‘d give these guys a pass tbh.
O yes I don't mean anything by it, just that it makes it extra weird you can pre-order anywhere but their home country
That's what happens when you make it expensive to import anything and don't have any domestic manufacturing for computer components.
Yes, but the products are manufactured and assembled in Taiwan, using a dedicated team for framework, and shipped to local warehouses across the world to sell and ship locally. They can easily decide to make, ship and sell the product across the globe but in the us. The ceo explained that they forsaw things like this when they started in 2019/2020 and therefore decided, back then, that they would take on this model to not fuck themselves incase trump would go haywire back then.
That has now saved their arses tbh
Yes. This is the technology community, not the buy European one.
Framework is pushing laptops in the right direction.
I didn't mean it as a boycott us comment, I am surprised you can pre-order it anywhere but in their own country is all. Also understand why, don't need an explanation.
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I like the concept, but I hate that the four USB modules aren't included in price. It's ridiculous to be almost forced to pay €40 for having 2x glorified 3 cm cord extensions on each side
I still prefer a used Thinkpad, better on the environment.
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