I've been waiting for years for this to finally be approved. I can't stand Daylight Saving Time, only serves to make me tired for the next month while I adjust, twice per year. It's a relic from the past and many countries are moving towards removing it or have removed it already altogether.
More info:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-000550_EN.html
I can't stand winter time, would love DST all year long. Its so depressing to have the sun set before I finish work and come home when its pitch black...
It clearly seems like something designed by people who get up at 04:00 and are asleep by 20:00.
It was, but also we have the same time in most EU, so at the west or east extremities either winter or summer time is quite wrong (or even both). Synchronized time is handy for international relations, though.
The US have several timezones, seems okay for them
Mainly it is just Arizona that is totally weird there with its nested levels of 'no DST/DST' (7 levels deep I think).
Honestly, just give me one time for everything world-wide and then have - gasp - people get up at different times. It would make things so much easier.
Aweful idea: do you want to plan a meeting at 16:00 with colleagues in the US? It is very hard to tell if this makes sense without timezones. Is this in their working day? Or the equivalent of midnight? Or something else? There are no timezones, so there is no way of telling without looking at some shady website how many hours you are shifted - which is basically the concept of timezones anyway, but shittier.
I regularly do have to work with and also have friends in other time zones. Despite doing so for the better part of two decades and not being bad at mental maths most of the calculations involved, especially with DST at different start and end dates, are a total headache. It would be much easier to have a list of "person x is available from global time y to z" data and check where that overlaps. Not to mention all the issues around "meeting at the same time every week" when "the same time" has no meaning between two time zones with different DST.
this just shifts the problem around though. so instead of debating when 8am and everyone getting to work is relative to the suns cycle you have to figure out which time should be getting to work time. But it still faces the same problems: Different people have different biological clocks and we were not made to deal with people being a thousamd kilometres or more away regularly.
But you have that problem even in the same office. Some start at 7 and leave at 3, others start at 9 and work until 5, some work half of the day only, others are in meetings. Why screw with the clock and inconvenience literally everyone even for the simple task of figuring out what is the same time, what is earlier and what is later just to not really solve anything?
Ask your employer if you can move hours -1 or +1, if that's possible in your case. I know some people that were able to improve their efficiency through that, it's a win-win situation
It's worth a try for sure. But for many people it's not possible because they work in a team and/or are reliant on a common schedule with externals. So either everyone starts an hour later or noone does which is really hard to coordinate.
Thank you for this! I had a look at the first link, it seems like they didn't answer anything more than 2020, which is this one: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2020-005617-ASW_EN.html
Basically, more paperwork to do before going on...
The public poll was extremely skewed, mostly Germans voted.
Biologists argue against permanent summer time, people are in favor of summer time. But most people haven't looked into the issue enough. Do you like to get up early? Then summer time is indeed better for you. But for most people it's not. But summer is nice and it's really complicated to think about time and the sun and how one changes when we move the clocks, so most people think they prefer summer time. Public health and public opinion run opposite in this case.
At the moment we have one time zone all the way from Spain to like Poland. Poland doesn't want to give up summer time, Spain doesn't want to give up standard time. (Or was it the other way around?). They are on the fringes of the time zone, geographically speaking and feel the negative effects the most. Obviously neither country wants to make the situation worse for its citizens, so no agreement has been reached.
(I'm an American so I'm not immediately in the discussion about whether Europe does DST or not but I do have opinions on DST itself)
I prefer Summer time, but I honestly don't care which one "we" stick to as long as we quit fucking with the goddamn clocks. I don't care if we split the difference, set the clocks to a half-hour between, and leave them there.
I HATE the logic of actually moving the clocks back and forth.
I care which one we stick to because going home at 5pm in the dark is depressing for a whole month in the northern half of the US. I’d much rather go to work in the dark then go home with the last bit of light and do something fun before the sun sets.
See if I was in charge that would be managed by "our company opens at 8AM" vs "our company opens at 7PM." Not the dumbass 20th century idea cancer where you reset every clock everywhere.
I think the USA already tried the permanent summer time thing. They stopped after two years, because it was bad.
If you actually would like to get up earlier for work or school, then yes, summer time is indeed better for you. You are also part of a small minority that sees it that way. Most would like to get up and show up to work later instead.
Well, they could get the timezones, that actually fit to their geography.
This is an option. I think it is not a very popular one though, because it makes cooperation and trade a tiny bit more complicated.
I would add to this the compounding effect of northern places. If one were to keep summer time all year round, the sun would rise at 9.30 am in the winter.
On the other hand, if one keeps standard time all year round, it rises at around 2 am in the summer.
(I still hate daylight savings though.)
I thought global warming was how we were abolishing winter time. I'll see myself out
They couldn't agree, so it went back for each state to decide, but even domestically it can be difficult to reach an agreement.. so we all continue doing the worst solution.
I much prefer more light in the evening than the morning. I really hope eventually we snap to our senses and put an end to the time change. It sucks so hard in the winter.
Old people were against it and they seem to be the only ones with a voice that is actually heard.
Or not everyone lives in the same latitude and changing the time effects you a lot more the further from the equator you get.
Not just old people are against it. I think a lot of people would be against permanent winter time, me included, since it'd mean shorter evenings in the summer and sunrise very early in the morning. Likewise, keeping Summertime all the time would mean extremely dark mornings in the winter. From what I gathered summer time only would also be unhealthy according to sleep experts. The changes are not ideal either, but imo it's a fine solution. I'd rather have this than wintertime only
This topic (and all previous discussions around this question) is the exact example why it hasn't been changed and likely never will be changed: People cannot agree to either of the solutions.
A good solution for your place is a bad solution at some other place.
It's just a popular topic for politicians to talk about - and then not doing anything about it.
How did people do before the oil crash and the reinstating of the daylight saving time?
Different countries could have different timezones, the US work with different timezones
Timezones solve an entirely different problem.
Timezones solve the east west problem, while daylight saving time solves the "sun rises later in winter"-problem. So more like a north south problem - because seasons.
If you want to suggest to create more "north south" timezones, you'd only make it more complicated than it is already. After all one of the more sane arguments is to remove complexity by removing DST. You'd bring complexity to a whole new level instead.
I wasn't introducing north south timezones, just reacting to the common issue that is that some countries prefer summer time, while others prefer winter time. The issue seems to be there because we want countries as far apart as Spain and Poland to share the same timezone.
An article that addresses that issue, with an interesting proposition (4 timezones instead of 3)
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