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[–] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Long term possibility (aka 'the bad ending') is that the fash project comes to full fruition and the US is able to circle the wagons in the north and stay alive another 50 years before the full biosphere collapse.

Short term possibility (but not a 'good ending') is that a black swan event happens, like a nuclear exchange or a devastating disaster like the clathrate gun going off, and supply chains are disrupted so heavily and so fast that the federal government can't maintain power. This I could see happening ten years from now.

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[–] RION@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

Sooner than you'd think, longer than you'd expect

[–] jack@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What does that look like to you? The US's capacity for imperialist projection is currently retracting rather quickly. Is that collapse? Does it need to be totally incapable of anything other than local projection?

Or is this internal? Truly dramatic political change? Revolution? An end to the formal entity The United States of America? Food systems failure?

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

About 47 minutes, if we're lucky.

[–] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

Too fucking long deeper-sadness

[–] iArtemis@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

at least 10 minutes idk

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

Long enough to kill us all

[–] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

depends how thing go in 2024, 2028 and 2032

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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Really depends on the strategic calculus of the Global South. Give the US too long and they'll establish manufacturing capabilities again. Move too quickly and the white wing is gonna start mass murdering everyone.

[–] SankaranSpy@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] iie@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it's just a pun, referring to right-wing white reactionaries as the white wing

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You understood the right thing

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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

The country itself won't collapse anytime soon. But it will probably balkanize and become a smaller version of itself in the coming future. I could see that happening by the end of this century or earlier.

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

Not in my lifetime (genX) nor my kids lifetime.

Decline is happening but will take a while for collapse.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I dunno, how long did it take for the Roman Empire to be at its peak to when it just became references in the history books of the nations that came after?

About that long.

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The height of Rome was 117.

Constantinople fell in 1453.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

That’s why the question of “how do you define collapse” is important.

New York, Pennsylvania and Maryland might well hold on as “The United States of America” with DC as the capital and something based in our constitution for another thousand years, but if the rest of the country has broken off I’d call that a collapse.

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[–] Cherufe@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago
[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

depends on what you mean by "collapse." i think we're probably going to see a constitutional amendment that essentially declaws most or all of the non-military powers of the federal government in the next 50 years. i think we're already seeing the mass social murder of the poor, and i believe it will escalate without stopping as long as it doesn't touch the middle class.

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[–] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

less than you think

[–] doesntmatter@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

how long? NOT LONG. because what you reap... is what you sow...

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Somewhere between two years and two millenia

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