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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 12 points 3 days ago (24 children)

I think deep down they're afraid of "actual trans people" as displayed in this image because they're terrified of "accidentally" hitting on them and finding out they're trans. :/

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean isn't that valid?

If I was hooking up with a girl and she didn't disclose that and she took off her clothes I would feel so violated

I doubt this ever really happens though

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I'm not sure that in a society that isn't homophobic and transphobic that this would be as much of a problem as we think. Would it be acceptable to be upset if the girl you were hooking up with took off her clothes and you find out she had some other kind of situation she didn't disclose? I can imagine many different situations, like:

  • breasts are smaller than expected because the bra was padded
  • one or more breasts were removed due to cancer
  • ambiguous or otherwise "not normal" genitalia for whatever reason (e.g. there are women with multiple vaginas, for example, or women with very large clits, etc.)
  • scars, burns, or other marks on the body that you didn't expect

You can think of more examples I'm sure. If you really think a trans woman is a woman, I don't think their genitals being in one configuration is that different than these sorts of examples - it's just another unexpected thing.

I think part of what makes it feel like a violation, esp. to so many cis straight men, is that the attitudes about genitals are so essentialized, it's often hard for a cis straight man (and people in general) to think the penis isn't "male" at least in some sense, and so on a trans woman a penis requires special consent and disclosure that we might not demand of other conditions.

Should someone feel violated if anything else is not what they expected on a woman's body? Why is being trans special or different?

All that said, we do live in a society - so disclosing seems like a good idea for so many reasons. My questions aren't meant to lead people to take risks, but to create clarity about why these practices of disclosure are necessary in the first place.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Well in my specific case I am looking for someone to have kids with which is a lot different than the other stuff you mentioned which are purely cosmetic. I know you can adopt etc but I'm a narcissist who wants to make miniature rabbers.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That's one thing, but I was referring to steps before that part. I think these people are horrified of the prospect of being attracted to someone and then finding out they were once biologically male so they simply push to make that prospect impossible. Everyone else suffers so they don't have to suffer any introspection. :/

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

being attracted to someone and then finding out they were once biologically male

Also valid I think. I'm looking for a woman who wants to have kids with me so it would really suck for both parties and I would prefer to avoid that awkward situation altogether. That could end up being straight up traumatic for either person

[–] wisely@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A lot of people can't have or don't want to have children for various reasons or medical issues.

Seems like this problem can just be solved by being upfront that you want to have children? No point in singling out any specific reason when the real issue is that you need someone to have children with. Most people would appreciate you expressing your needs upfront.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean that sounds good on paper but saying you want to have children in the initial stage of a relationship is probably a red flag lol

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

So is feeling violated at someone not telling you beforehand they're trans. I'd feel a lot worse with you doing that than asking if I'm fertile.

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[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Now let's see one about religious leaders being role models (left) vs sex offenders (right).

FWIW, I didn't think all religious leaders are sex offenders, but the percentage that have been caught and charged with sexual assault compared to trans people caught and charged is near infinitely higher.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There is one group of men that dress up in flamboyant clothing where of that group a large percentage assaults children. They don’t wear women’s clothing but they wear vestments and a miter.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've never seen tik tok style censorship in a comic itself

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

thanks for the warning, don't know what I would've done if I clicked on the link and didn't know it was a PDF file!

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