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[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Missing "totalitarian," "red fash," something or other about Tibet, and of course no food holodomor

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

was it edited because i see red fash and tibet in there?

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think so? I've been blind before but I thought I remembered "agenda" being on there too.

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 2 years ago
[–] NothingButBits@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I hate how liberals can create a meaningless label like whataboutism and then repeat it endlessly until it becomes an argument for them. Most of these labels were created because they are too lazy or ignorant to counter argument. Their debate capabilities rival that of a child.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are some paranoid levels of thinking in some of that stuff. Like when a person thinks someone is a "x foreign country spy" because they disagree. It's possible for people to break out of that mode of thinking, but when they are in that mode, it's next to impossible to get through because everything you say that is in disagreement is "because you are trying to deceive them."

Liberals claiming someone is doing whataboutism seems like a component of this thinking, with a belief that the one doing the "whataboutism" is attempting to deceive. But although it's (probably? I haven't analyzed it in enough depth to say with certainty) possible for someone to deceive in that way, it's also possible to compare two things for a variety of rhetorical purposes that have nothing to do with dishonesty. Such as pointing out the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world if someone tries to say x foreign country is "authoritarian" in contrast to the US being "free"; that's not whataboutism, it's a factual point that undermines the narrative of the US having some kind of greater moral standing from which it can properly judge other countries.

If anything, I would say imperialists, liberals, tend to be more engaged in actual whataboutism, even if unconsciously. Like if you try to point out something fundamentally wrong with the US, claiming that alternatives are way worse. Which in that regard also seems to be in bed with doomerism (or more formally maybe, capitalist realism).

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah I've noticed that as well, it's absolutely inconceivable for these people that somebody could genuinely disagree with them. If you have a contrary opinion that must be because you have some secret agenda. It's kind of funny to unpack to be honest because what are they even saying there. When they say you're shilling for the see see pee or whatever, they're still acknowledging that you ultimately prefer that system. Yet, according to them, your view should be dismissed because anything that's not western liberalism is somehow evil.

The whole whataboutism thing is fundamentally a logical fallacy. It's basically a rhetorical device to create a double moral standard for yourself and your adversaries. Why should others be held to a higher standard than one holds themselves, it doesn't make any sense.

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 2 years ago

I think it's because the programming cuts off the ability to see that the programming isn't actual education nor does it encourage thought, but quite the opposite. So if someone disagrees it's because they have different programming and that is the only explanation. It's all brainless knee-jerk reaction.

[–] Catfish@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Free space should say "20 gorillion dead"

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pick a fake number that isn't used by Holocaust deniers

[–] Catfish@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Forgot they like that number, that's okay we can just add another zero to it. The number goes up every year anyways.

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My issue was the "gorillion", not the 20. There are other options like, idk, "bazillion" that work just as well, or just a nice simple "trillion" for the absurdity.

[–] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 2 years ago
[–] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No "West Taiwan?" No Tiananmen? No accusations for accusations of being a bot? Smdh this bingo lacks content.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No accusations for accusations of being a bot?

Wumao comes pretty close

[–] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 2 years ago

Ah but you see, it's the Chinese the ones who pay people to post opinions favourable to them. The Russians, on the other side, program robots to post opinions favourable to them. It's a very important difference.

Not even "vatnik" 😔

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 2 years ago

So how many times per day do we have to fill the full card for a bingo?