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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

Lol, I'd love to watch everyone in the US paying triple for literally anything that has electronics in it.

If Trump then wants to build chips in the US, good luck. ASML is the only one with the machines, first of all, and by the time he can buy those, something tells me they might have some extra tarifs added to them, and then paying US salaries for electronics would skyrocket prices to people having to pay four-five times the amount of what they're paying now.

Not saying that the near slavery conditions in Asia are fine, that should have changed decades ago, but the way trump is doing this is hilarious, people will want his head on a plattee

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

China I get, but Taiwan ? It's literally a US-proxy state

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

I'm sure that orange fuck will try to sell it to "beautiful" president Xi, or to clean it out to stop the conflict, or something like that, that bubbles up in his senile demented brain.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago

What a goddamn dumb fuck

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

thats one way to make sure openai can stay competitive

[–] shirro@aussie.zone 34 points 2 days ago

Awesome. More availability for the rest of us.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait until his voters see their toy prices flying up

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

His voters seem to think it's Taiwan that pays the tariffs.

[–] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Can't wait to start putting Trump "I DID THAT!" stickers next to $5000 walmart laptops

[–] Tomma235@lemm.ee 58 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So where is the US going to get its chips from then tax TMSC makes over 90% of chips?

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 31 points 2 days ago (17 children)

TSMC was supposed to open a plant in the US, but apparently that takes a bit of time to get running.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

I thought the US FAB was also going to be a generation behind?

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[–] 7rokhym@lemmy.ca 77 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Awesome! Send them to Canada, we can build data centres and sell the cloud services back to Americans powered by the electricity that we expect to be tarriffed, and cooled by the water we won't sell.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Or Mexico! We're already on it. Sheinbaum is working to get a chip manufacturing plant up in Guadalajara. Exciting stuff, honestly.

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[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hell, use the waste heat to power hot water heaters or something. It blows my mind that we don't do more cloud computing in cold environments. The servers produce heat, the people need heat, solve one problem with another. Instead we seem to be putting them in the driest and hottest climates available.

[–] 7rokhym@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Indeed. My Alienware doubles as a space heater in my north facing office.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump is a chinese puppet apparently

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Russian revenge for the sanctions.

[–] narp@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

The dismantling of the US was Putins wet dream since forever, he would have done the same with or without the well deserved sanctions for invading Ukraine.

[–] thejml@lemm.ee 119 points 2 days ago (5 children)

He emphasized that the proposed tariffs would leave companies with no choice but to invest in domestic production facilities to avoid high taxes.

No choice except the obvious: Pass the cost of the Tax into the customer because there’s no way they’re going to spend billions to stand up a US fab plant anytime soon.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No choice except the obvious: Pass the cost of the Tax into the customer because there’s no way they’re going to spend billions to stand up a US fab plant anytime soon.

TSMC is standing up fabs in the US, mostly because we're bribing them to do so.

The problem is that it takes literal years to build high tech manufacturing and isn't something you can yank out of your ass to satisfy some idiot politician.

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

By Taiwanese law, TSMC isn't allowed to move cutting edge processes to its US plant. The overseas operations have to be at least one gen behind.

From a strategic point of view, it makes sense for the Taiwan government to do this. They don't want the US to suck them dry then cut a deal with the mainland.

I mean, it's economic blackmail: we won't build the good shit anywhere else, so if you don't protect us, you get nothing.

Effective, but only if you're dealing with someone who is rational, and, well, have you seen the brain-worm oligarchs in charge of the US lately?

[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online 32 points 2 days ago

More so when these plants take 10 years to build. They will pass along the cost and just wait him out.

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[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 155 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In the end, only the customer pays extras.

[–] wurstgulasch3000@feddit.org 81 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trumpets cannot comprehend this

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They will first go "I don't buy those damn consoles and gamer PCs every few years", then find out once their new iPhones will be much more expensive...

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Everything will be more expensive, if it uses a modern CPU. Phones, tablets, computers of any type from any company (both Intel and AMD are fabbing consumer CPUs on TSMC, as is Apple and Qualcomm), TVs, set top boxes, everything.

Right now TSMC is basically the only fab anything consumer-facing is made on, which is not a great thing in general, but vice president trump just decided that anything electronic needs a hefty price hike.

[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And remember, once the price goes up, it rarely goes down. Even after the tariffs reverted in the future.

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[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 70 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Can the fat fuck die from a coronary already?

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Look at Henry Kissinger. If left to nature, Trump will live to be 120.

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[–] dukatos@lemm.ee 76 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So, US is finally getting EU hardware prices

Probably Aussie hardware prices at this rate.

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But I thought the Tim Apple donation to the trump inauguration was supposed to curry enough favor to avoid this.

ThisIsMySurpisedFace.jpg.

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[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 80 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Oh man, Trump...I had this thing I wanted to give you...where did I put it...oh yeah...🖕

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[–] philpo@feddit.org 48 points 2 days ago

And in two weeks there will be a special executive order to free his Tech Bro oligarch buddies from these tarrifs so Meta and Elmo are not forced to pay a dollar extra.

[–] WeebLife@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I've been looking at doing a new pc build but wanted to wait for the new GPUs coming out. Looks like I should just my new build before prices are stupid.

I did mine a couple months ago because I anticipated this happening.

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[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How to reunite China and Taiwan 101

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[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't get the goal here. It's not just that existing fabs are in Taiwan, I thought it was the knowledge was as well.

I was under the impression that we'd built a couple of fabs here and they're not productive due to a knowledge deficit. Maybe I'm uninformed.

It seems, to my uninformed self, that if we impose tariffs we'd be strengthening Taiwan/China relations. Wouldn't China still serve as a middle man?

I don't see us manufacturing when the dollar is so high relative to foreign currency; add in the lack of knowledge and facilities and I'm not sure what you get.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 23 points 2 days ago

I truly believe these are his way of soliciting bribes from foreign and domestic businesses.

They're going to have to pay him to get around them.

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