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Climate Activists Spray-Paint Darwin’s Grave in London to Draw Attention to Climate Disaster (www.democracynow.org)
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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Glad for these guys. Their protests are the only ones that consistently get headlines and they make a point that nothing they do is permanent or a public danger.

I used to be more concerned about “le optics” of this but have come to the conclusion I was just being reactionary where I didn’t have to be.

[–] Sporkbomber@lemm.ee -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

"Their protests are the only ones that consistently get headlines and they make a point that nothing they do is permanent or a public danger."

No public danger?

Like when they blocked a roadway and kept an ambulance from moving a patient? Or when one of their protests caused enough traffic to delay a responding ambulance resulting in 2 deaths?

Or just in general figuring the best way to get across their message is to sit in a roadway.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 months ago

Cite your sources babes cuz it looks like you are repeating right wing propaganda straight from the Daily Mail and The Sun 😉

About the incident of the two deaths: Just Stop Oil didn't delay us getting to M20 crash, says ambulance service

[–] november@lemmy.vg 1 points 6 months ago

Are you gonna acknowledge that this didn't happen or are you done replying?

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Not graffiti on smooth stonework! Winston, fetch my clutching pearls!

[–] Covenant@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And again they are getting attention.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.vg 2 points 6 months ago

It's amazing and terrible that so few people are getting how this works.

The climate going to shit should be the #1 news story on TV and the internet everywhere. Yes, it's more important than money.

If everyone's just OKAY with living for the short-term regardless of the risk of edging closer to extinction, then we need to all be upfront and make that a petition, a referendum, a signed suicide letter.

[–] kapulsa@feddit.org 0 points 6 months ago

This was very brave. I applaud these activists. We should all do the same until politics listen and act accordingly.

[–] jkintree@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They succeeded in getting attention. Look at all the comments posted here. The issue needs attention. The issue also needs fact checking. I was pleased with fact checking I got from diffy.chat about the wildfires in LA County. Maybe fact checking bots should be included in online discussion forums.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The bots are mostly langauge models, not knowledge models. I don't regard them as sufficiently reliable to do any kind of fact checking.

[–] jkintree@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The language model for diffy.chat has been trained not to respond from its own learned parameters, but to use the Diffbot external knowledge base. Each sentence or paragraph in a Diffy response has a link to the source of the information.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's still not into the realm where I trust it; the underlying model is a language model. What you're describing is a recipe for ending up with paltering a significant fraction of the time.

[–] jkintree@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Did you even try diffy.chat to test how factually correct it is and how well it cites its sources? How good does it have to be to be useful? How bad does it have to be to be useless?

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I tried it. It produces reasonably accurate results a meaningful fraction of the time. The problem is that when it's wrong, it still uses authoritative language, and you can't tell the difference without underlying knowledge.

[–] jkintree@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 months ago

There does need to be a mechanism to keep the human in the loop to correct the knowledge base by people who have the underlying knowledge. Perhaps notification needs to be sent to people who have previously viewed the incorrect information when a correction is made.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm sad that even though I'm heavily in support of climate activisim this kind of useless stuff happens.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm sad no form of protest will ever be acceptable for people who want to demonize climate activists.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What the hell are you talking about? Somebody just punched the United Healthcare CEO's ticket to Hell several decades early. That enjoyed widespread support. By contrast, historical artifacts and working peoples' livelihoods have value. Meanwhile, climate activists just pull one smarmy, performative, insincere stunt after another, and not even so much as a drop of gasoline has been spilled on a single oil CEO's house.

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't pay this guy too much attention. It seems like an obvious troll account. It's 11 days old and spewing out comments at nearly one a minute. They talk down to anyone mentioning the CEO shooting while claiming "nothing will improve until the rich fear for their lives" in other posts. It's clear they're just trying to stir up shit.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

Truly an individual with valuable time.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

So the only form of viable protest is one where the protesters trade their lives for the lives of the rich?

Seems like big talk from a keyboard warrior.

Maybe you should go do it since you don't like how they protest.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

Nah, they should frame you for it and then we'd be spared your vaporing.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No I'm specifically using the word "useless".

Lets just burn down Evil Corp's headquarters. Now that is useful.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"The only acceptable form of protest is the kind I'm too much of a coward to carry out myself"

[–] x00z@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Exactly. I never do such stuff.

Never ever mister police man.

[–] dukepontus@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Then go do that.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wonder what went trough your head when you pressed Post after writing such a useless comment.

[–] dukepontus@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago

Lol, triggered much? Just confess you are to scared to do anything. Big talk, no action.

[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com -2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Vandalizing graves and museums - what a great way to get supporters and make people sympathetic to your cause...

I have further ideas - how about beating some pre-schoolers or burning a homeless shelter to protest global warming? Or perhaps throwing mud at the elderly? Drowning some puppies? Since clearly these people believe all publicity is good publicity, think how much buzz that would generate!

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

There's a fair bit of evidence that it works. That's why people keep on doing it.

[–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What should they do?
Protest in the designated area so that we ignore them more easily? But not somewhere where it blocks cars? Maybe stop chanting to keep the noise down?
The normal protests don't seem to work.

[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How about actually protesting something that's related to their cause? Blocking a highway is absolutely one of those. Or, if you want to throw paint at something, how about throwing it at an office of an oil company or a car/private jet of a CEO and not on a fucking grave?

I never said they should not protest at all or not inconvenience anyone, but vandalism of random property or cultural heritage? No, I will not support that.

[–] november@lemmy.vg 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, since they've solely done completely harmless shit up until now, why don't they just murder some dogs? That's the same thing!