So all we need to do is find a way to put people in prison!
Win-win!
That's why homelessness is being criminalized.
The explicit goal is to recreate Victorian workhouses for the benefit of the new generation of robber barons.
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Hey now, they won't be called Workhouses. They'll be called AI training data centers and Gig Opportunity Recruitment Points.
And if you don't support these amazing engines of economic development and industrial growth, you are clearly just throwing your support behind the concentration camps that the Bad Team wants to build.
Hell, I how do I even know you're not a Russian bot or a Chinese Wumao, trying to sow dissent in our glorious country, anyway?
I'm sure Elon will give the camps some dip shit meme name.
"Marginal Demographic, Mandatory Assistance" camps?
"Wage-Exempt Extradition & Deportation" camps?
"Temporary Unpaid Assistant Housing"?
Nah, he'll make it some dumbass acronym.
Like "MDMA", "WEED", or "TUAH"?
The suicide squad 2025: No, you're not going to stop a criminal mastermind. You'll be risking your lives putting out the fires that we caused.
Yup and Trump will do this to illegals.. Welcome to the concentration camps
Lol, he absolutely won't.
Important to add, once freed they will be ineligible to take a job as a firefighter in California.
Umm
The website for this program states the exact opposite
https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/facility-locator/conservation-camps/faq-conservation-fire-camp-program/
Yes. A felony conviction does not disqualify employment with CAL FIRE. Many former camp firefighters go on to gain employment with CAL FIRE, the United States Forest Service and interagency hotshot crews.
CAL FIRE, California Conservation Corps (CCC), and CDCR, in partnership with the Anti-Recidivism Coalition (ARC), developed an 18-month enhanced firefighter training and certification program at the Ventura Training Center (VTC), located in Ventura County.
The VTC trains formerly-incarcerated people on parole who have recently been part of a trained firefighting workforce housed in fire camps or institutional firehouses operated by CAL FIRE and CDCR. Members of the CCC are also eligible to participate. VTC cadets receive additional rehabilitation and job training skills to help them be more successful after completion of the program. Cadets who complete the program are qualified to apply for entry-level firefighting jobs with local, state, and federal firefighting agencies.
For more information, visit the Ventura Training Center (VTC) webpage.
That's the first sensible advocacy point I've seen sense I started reading these threads. It really doesn't make sense to assign prisoners to jobs they're legally barred from.
From what I've heard this is actually an excellent job for many of them. It's good pay (for prison labor) doing valuable work with a lot of dignity. And it's work for their community that's valuable on the outside. It should always be truly voluntary else it be horrifying, but if they can't do it once they get out it's not job training and it's not reducing recidivism. These prisoners are doing heroic work, let them be heroic once freed.
All prison jobs should pay actual wages and be voluntary though. While the firefighting job is voluntary, many prison jobs are not. Including jobs making products for private companies.
A large force of inexperienced indentured servants fighting the blaze, yet so much coverage about the horror of a handful of female hires.
Ah yes, California's penal legion of ~~slaves~~ "indentured servants" that we uh... voted to keep around in the last election.
Man, CA politics are fucking bizarre. Sometimes the slam dunk no-brainer propositions fail and there never seems to be a really good reason why.
Money, and liberals.
California is liberal. Not left. Every once in a while some leftist proposition comes up that threatens money, and money always wins.
When they say liberals are wolves in sheep's clothing, this is kinda what they're talking about. They care, they really care about their fellow man, as far as their comfortable standard of living allows.
Liberals huh? So where are the leftists in all this? Destitute in the streets?
Edit: oh yeah downvote me harder marx cucks 😫💦
Fighting the fires.
Oh, so only leftists fight fires huh?
For $6.80/hr before taxes.
Yeah for sure all of those prisoners are leftists. Yeah youre starting to sound about as smart as a leftist keep going
Oh, you're serious. I thought we were doing one of those fun bits.
Yeah i get tired of hearing about liberals on here
Well that's only fair, because I'm pretty tired of dealing with their policies.
And those policies are?...
Lots, but currently pretty fucking infuriating to see cops get an increase of 160 million, while the fire department gets ~17 million cut. But I guess it balances out if they use those police to build an indentured class that they can pay next to nothing to fight the fires instead!
Yeah totally policies set forth by liberals. Totally not ancient federal and state laws
See part of why I have so much of a gripe with liberals is this sort of mentality here. California is one of the most solidly blue states in the country. Since you didn't defend it on the merits, it seems you agree the choice I described in my post was not great, correct? But instead of realizing that it may be possible that rich politicians from your team are not actually on your side, you just defer to nebulous 'ancient laws' that apparently make it impossible for helpful choices in, and lets be clear here, a city deciding it's own budget. Care to point to the federal and/or state laws that just hamstring the benevolent liberals of LA and force them to increase the police budget by 160 million dollars? Laws that apparently can't be challenged, or circumvented by the liberals in those positions, since they would certainly do so if they could, right??
Rich politicians are not liberal. They are neoliberal. There is a vast ocean between the two
Neoliberals huh? So where are the liberals in all this? Destitute in the streets?
Next to the leftists
Where are the leftists?
Bitching about liberals from their ivory towers appparently
So are the liberals bitching about neoliberals from ivory towers then?
Right. What im saying is leftists are the same until a policy measure fails then to people on here "its the fault of liberals" as if theyre not the same arm of the constituency. Its just devisive bullshit
So did they vote to keep slavery from their ivory towers, and blame it on neoliberals?
It looks like the entire state was ignorant or misled by deliberately confusing wording. Down ballot voters were more likely to check "no". Had they used the word slavery in the measure it would have more likely have passed like it did in a variety of other states that, wait for it, are liberal
Okay, so the neoliberals that are the actual problem chose poor wording so they could trick the liberals into voting to keep slavery?
Were the changes to the LA budget the product of "ancient federal and state laws" or neoliberals now?
Are all the politicians neoliberals, or just most with power in the state?
Im not really sure which part youre confused about. The law that has existed since the 1800s, how ballot measures are worded in "legalese" so theyre difficult to understand, or that neolibs are republicans wearing democrat skin?
I know its a lot to comprehend but i think you can do it buddy
Do you think liberals are fighting to make more sensible ballot language and have just failed because they can't garner enough political power in California?
I think theres too many rich folk that dont want to push the envelope