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They slowly started locking down the platform for people without accounts and it has been really annoying to use the website since. First it was not possible to search for code, then even searching for issues got more and more difficult with it randomly failing, and now it's gotten to the point where I can't search for a fucking project anymore!

Github's search is becoming as bad as reddit's, where if you want to find anything, a secondary service like SourceGraph, GrepApp, or even a dumb search engine is better. Sometimes those haven't indexed what I need (especially code search), so I have to download the bloody tarball and rg for whatever the fuck it is I was looking for. Sometimes it will also block the VPN I'm using, so I have to proxy to a non-VPNed machine. The world could do without these unnecessary roadblocks.

What also grinds my gears is requiring an account to contribute. There is no way to send in a patch, raise an issue, or anything without an account there, so by if a project being on github, you have no choice but to give Microsoft your data to participate in opensource. Don't get me wrong, mailing-lists are filth, but and I'd rather claw my eyes out than participate in any project demanding their use, but Microsoft being the "lesser evil" is not a good look.

Please, for the love of opensource, get your project off of github, please. It's a monopoly at this point and doing microsoft things. This isn't the end and they'll probably do more stuff to see how far they can push it. We'll all be the boiled frogs.

Yes, I know they have a CI and some other features, but if all you're doing is hosting your code, please consider an alternative.

Possible alternatives in alphabetic order:

  • Codeberg (could have federation in the future)
  • Gitlab (has CI)
  • ~~OneDev (no git SSH clone but feature-rich)~~ not an instance for the public
  • Radicle (no CI, but federated)
  • Sourcehut (minimalist, but fast as fuck)

or maybe others will suggest more.

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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 35 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I support moving off GH but

There is no way to send in a patch, raise an issue, or anything without an account there

Currently this is the case everywhere? With the exception of projects that take email patches, currently all the options are centralised/not federated, and even if e.g. Forgejo finished adding ActivityPub integration you'd still need an account on some Forgejo instance to contribute. Same for email patches; they still require having an email address. If it's specifically about giving MS your data, sure, although iirc the only data they actually require is an email address. You can use duckduckgo's duck addresses to get one that's relatively anonymous (i.e. can be deanonymised by duckduckgo but I doubt anyone's conspiring that hard to deanonymise a random github user).

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

Yeah and that makes sense. There’s plenty of examples of open source projects that have had their issue trackers flooded with politics rather than real issues and they have to then spend all their time policing and cleaning that up and that’s using GitHub’s user reg system and basic protections against spam accounts. Without requiring any sort of auth or user reg that would be impossible

[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

If you look at a project on sourcehut while not logged in, you will see instructions on the side how to create a patchset and mail it directly to the maintainer, no account needed.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Pretty sure gitlab requires you to enter a CC to make an account as well, which turned me off from submitting a bug report a few weeks or so back

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

While I agree about most of your gripes. I don't think requiring an account to contribute is unreasonable. I can underdtand not wanting to create an account and give them personal info and such. But if that is your stance, stop using them entirely. Giving them code is even worse.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I used codeberg and liked it. This is a good reminder to try to stick with it moving forward

[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

I use Codeberg and even paid to be a member, because it goes directly to support the development of forgejo.

[–] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Specifically for the rate limit issue, a lot of nix's derivations are hosted on GitHub and now and then the rate limit problem comes up when I rebuilds a dev environment.

Nixos.org is kind enough to host gigabytes of cache, but to get a ~40MiB tarball, we need to beg at the door of M$. Path dependency is really a trap.

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[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I see projects move over to Gitlab a lot lately, but without porting over the issues. That means a huge amount of history and discussions are lost. If you want to find out why something is the way it is, old issues would be a goldmine. Sometimes they are still up on archived GitHub, but not always.

[–] StrikeForceZero@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago

It's a shame because how gitlab is basically begging to be bought out and hides a lot of useful features behind subscriptions.. I remember when it was originally just a GitHub clone way back when.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
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[–] tyler@programming.dev 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Complaining about needing an account to contribute is wild to me.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 7 points 6 months ago

You’re not okay with anonymous malicious prs? How prude! /s

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago

I read it as needing a Microsoft account, and having to accept Microsft's terms and conditions, in order to contribute to an unrelated (and probably open-source) project. That's a valid complaint.

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[–] ulterno@programming.dev 11 points 6 months ago

without these unnecessary roadblocks

But then how will they harvest your data?

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If I have to search something in a repo, I just clone it and use my IDE. GitHub search sucks, but I don't think it's possible to have a web experience that is on par with an actual environment an IDE.

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[–] proton_lynx@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Yes, I know they have a CI and some other features, but if all you're doing is hosting your code, please consider an alternative.

Don't worry, their CI is pure garbage.

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

That’s not very nice.

To garbage.

I mean, at least in a pinch you can burn some garbage to stay warm. Its going to suck but not as much as actions.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Which service has better CI? Genuine question

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[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

I've stopped using github because I hate advertising and nags. Probably most people don't care much about it, but for me github nagging and 'reminding' me about copilot is just so off-putting that I immediately want to leave the site. I don't want my attention stolen like that.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

I sound like a corporate shill but like, I don't know if this is due to abuse.

GitHub actions and certain things were free until the crypto bros started abusing it. There are certain challenges that happen at scale.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

whats funny is I was working in an azure shop and we got rate limited on api calls that caused all sorts of issues and for modern times it really was not a lot of calls. Much less internal calls from a customer on one of the big three cloud computing providers. Seriously!!! Oh and their support was like. Yeah it will do that.

[–] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Can confirm this type of thing. Under the Microsoft umbrella stuff doesn't get special treatment or exemptions from rate limits.

Instead we make multiple accounts and randomly pick ones to use for various api calls. We waste time fighting with secondary rate limits for them as well as guess how to avoid them.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 6 months ago

Ooof its been awhile and honestly just going back and getting details on the issue is something Im generally paid to do but I can say we got the account from our infrastructure folks and it was seperate from what they were using but it actually impacted them moving vms in a batch script. we were just grabbing metric and metadata.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Yes, I know they have a CI and some other features

Github actions are terrible - fight me.

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commit: Another actions fix
commit: Fixing actions
commit: Fixed issue with actions
commit: Actions not logging in properly
commit: typo in actions
commit: Created GH actions!
[–] sirdorius@programming.dev 13 points 6 months ago

Just commit to a different branch, and then rebase to main. If you're putting this shit into main, it's not the tool's fault.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (8 children)

act drastically reduced the amount of back-and-forth getting actions right for me

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[–] robinshen@programming.dev 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Want to mention that OneDev does support SSH clone. Only that SSH access to code.onedev.io is turned off (code.onedev.io is not a public hosting service, it is set up to develop OneDev itself).

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

It was easy enough to introduce Git with a self hosted Gitea at my work place 4 years ago. I see Codeberg is based on a fork of Gitea called Forgejo, so I guess it is also good.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They forked gitea when the gitea devs created an Ltd to help fund development of the platform. I also remember some noise around the same time when gitea took an extra day to release a security patch.

They’ve got about half of the activity of gitea which is pretty impressive considering they’re entirely off github, even if they have 1/4 of the contributors in the same time (9 vs 38)

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[–] mrkite@programming.dev 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Gitlab just reduced their monthly ci minute cap.

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[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 4 points 6 months ago

Account requirements seem like a worthwhile safeguard against spam.

Projects can still use and accept emails or whatever outside of GitHub.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It'd be cool to use one service to upload to everything simultaneously.

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[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

I also want to note that in the year 2025, GitHub still does not support IPv6. Folks behind CGNAT in IPv4-starved geos suffer, as does everyone developing for all-IPv6 networks. And it's not like they can't do it, seeing as their various subdomains like pages.github.com have working IPv6 already.

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