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[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

When I was 12 my dad gave me two defect PCs and says: find out how to compare the working parts and you can have this one for you. Also a copy of win95.

If I look back this was enough to learn about every hard- and software related issue ever. Hell, even the mainboards back then doesn't have any documentations about jumpers etc.

And win95 need a regularly reinstall. If I compare how many reinstalls I needed between win and Linux, windows wins.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 202 points 1 week ago

Bigger distinction: Kids with computers vs. kids with “smart” devices.

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago

I feel that is the difference we're seeing though. Younger kids who generally live on smart devices have lower tech literacy.

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 179 points 1 week ago

She must have had a Mac. Only Windows teaches both the knowledge and the fury to convince children to switch to Linux.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago

This isn't right at all... Mac's are awful if you want to do things like play most video games. Linux is much the same.

That's right. I said it. Come downvote me, fanboys, I don't mind. I've seen what makes you cheer.

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[-] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works 58 points 1 week ago

Switching from apple is like breaking out of prison.

[-] superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 week ago

Coming from windows it’s a breath of fresh air

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[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 31 points 1 week ago

I don't know. I think Mac gets a lot of hate simply because it's a Unix that was sold to the devil and comes with a satanic concierge service.

Like, I'm not saying that selling your soul to the devil is possible but if I had to pick a handful of people that on the whole I would say probably did I would pick Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Elon musk, Jeffrey bezos, Larry Page, Vladimir Putin, and probably every Hollywood social elite and musician that sells a platinum record, every Republican senator, congress person, and every president after Jimmy Carter, and every CEO whose company is worth more than 10 million dollars who didn't inherit the company from their parents.

[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago

Don't forget Robert Jordan

[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 1 points 6 days ago

The ambassador or the guy that wrote The wheel of Time series?

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[-] icosahedron@ttrpg.network 29 points 1 week ago

growing up my family had a mac desktop that i had access to while really young. eventually realized mac is a little terrible, so i tried bootcamp to get some proper use out of the computer. i successfully installed windows, but somehow fucked up and formatted the mac partition. all for windows to also suck

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[-] rbn@sopuli.xyz 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Personally, I guess that you learn more the more issues you have. MacOS is a more closed down ecosystem compared to Windows, malware is less popular and as hardware comes usually bundled with the OS, you shouldn't encounter as many driver or hardware issues in general.

As a kid I had so much trouble with incompatible software, viruses, adware, drivers, broken hardware etc. And as I had noone to ask, it tought me a lot about the fundamentals of IT and how to research such issues myself.

[-] niucllos@lemm.ee 50 points 1 week ago

Counterpoint, I grew up at a time when Mac's still couldn't do much outside of what apple specifically developed for them, so I learned a ton about emulation and virtual machines and such to play games or use Photoshop. I guess that supports your hypothesis, I can rock Unix command line stuff and containers like a pro, but hate figuring out drivers

[-] rbn@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 week ago

Yes, I completely see that. This is not a black or white question. You can use Windows, MacOS, Linux, Android, iOS... and learn close to nothing or you can geek around hour after hour to expand the boundaries of your device.

I would just assume, that you learn less if everything you want to do, works out of the box. And 'working out of the box' a typical selling point of the Apple ecosystem. Which of course doesn't mean that you can't have a steep learning curve. Your use cases obviously weren't delivered out of the box, so you had to get creative as well.

I had a jailbroken iPod Touch with a shell on it and spend hours and days overcoming system boundaries just out of spite. I also remember vividly trying to bring mobile games to a Symbian phone, tweaking around with a HP iPAQ on Windows Mobile, manually typing Midi ringtones with a text editor on a Nokia. :D

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

At risk of going off topic, I don’t like Twitter posts like this:

Both users ‘verified,’ essentially paying for more engagement, but with no actual “verification” like community mods tagging users.
In your face engagement metrics all over the posts, as if that’s all that matters. Not even a user “poll” like Lemmy/Reddit or Mastadon/Facebook.
Hiding most replies other than the most algorithmically engaging ones.
Posted as a screenshot, unfortunately necessary as they essentially broke Nitter and it’s nigh unusable unless logged in.

I don’t like that the Twitter format is kinda the center of the social media universe, and seemingly staying that way now that we basically voted to back it with the US govt.

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[-] Korne127@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

I'm genuinely curious; is her hypothesis that macOS users are less tech literate? Because I definitely know much more computer science people that use macOS than Windows (of course most use Linux, but Windows is on third place).

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't understand the correlation with technical people on Mac. Like I DONT GET IT 😭
how can you just be ok with not being able to do stuff you want? I tried to use a cracked iPhone before deciding just to buy a new android because I just bout exploded with the corporate shenanigans apple has.

Edit: It would appear that Mac is very different from IOS. Ive never tried it other than 15 minutes of fiddling with a friends once, nice to know it's not as locked down as IOS is.
Many thanks, but I hardly understand this conversation lol

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Macs have a decent terminal + CLI interface built in, and decent hardware. Also, for many years apple offered huge discounts for students through their university, so many CS students got a macbook for super cheap and just never stepped out of the ecosystem.

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The CLI interface is literally just GNU BASH, people need to understand Apple steals everything slaps a fresh coat of paint on it and boasts how innovative they are.

~full disclosure; I'm super jealous andhave always wanted a Mac Pro or Macbook Pro~

[-] 257m@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago

Actually its zsh but yeah nothing special.

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[-] niucllos@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago

OS X and iOS are completely different beasts, iOS is a closed off nightmare whereas OSX is basically just stable pretty Linux missing a few packages and costing more

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[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

I was brought up on a Commodore 64. I wrote my first program at the age of six using a guide from a computer magazine.

Make of that what you will.

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[-] Gemini24601@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hey when I was 12 I- hold on a second!