What is the difference between lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works? (lemmy.world)

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I have seen many comments saying that lemmy.world sucks, and sh.itjust.works is good. I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances. Why? After a quick look, sh.itjust.works doesn't look much different to me. Can anyone explain?

Edit: many good replies. the conclusion I'm drawing is that for my purposes it doesn't really matter. I appreciate everyone who responded

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[-] donuts@lemmy.world 65 points 3 days ago

Here's the description by both:

sh.itjust.works:

A bilingual (EN/FR) general-purpose instance located in eastern Canada! Powered by 99% renewable energy! Everyone is welcome eh.

Lemmy.World:

A generic Lemmy server for everyone to use. (...) Lemmy.World is a general-purpose Lemmy instance of various topics, for the entire world to use

The comments about instances being "good" or "bad" is just plain ol' tribalism.

Users get attacked for the instances they registered to, even if they were unaware of instance politics when they actually registered. That sucks!

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Lemmy world has more users and therefore more likely to have more jerks when the jerk to not jerk ratio within an instance is the same.

There are/were a few instances where staying with their registration is worthy of assuming the worst about them.

[-] imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 3 days ago

Stop calling jerks jerks, you're being a jerk! /s

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[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The two main reasons people attack LW is:

people who criticise it because it is by far the largest instance, and thereby means lemmy isn’t as decentralised as it could be, I think this is a fair point, because it has caused federation issues with for example aussie.zone in the past.
Tankies who get mad the average lemmy.world user does not share their admiration for China, Russia, North Korea, Stalin, and Mao. Thereby accusing the whole instance of being “libs” and “bigots”.

[-] rowdyrockets@lemm.ee 21 points 3 days ago

I’ll add 2 more that resonate with me:

Discussions of distributing copyright material is banned. (Not actually sharing, obviously that is illegal, but they’ve banned the mere discussion of it.)
They have not defederated from Meta’s Threads

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago

Fwiw, LW seems ready to defederate from Threads at a moment's notice (post), but atm it doesn't matter since Threads isn't federating with Lemmy anyway.

Though it's still an excellent point to wonder why they haven't done it preemptively, like pretty much every other instance I've heard of (even lemm.ee's [blocked instance list[(https://lemm.ee/instances) that is shockingly short has that one). Perhaps bc the decision to defederate from any instance, and especially that one, has generated such negative feedback (as the post linked above mentions), they are hesitant to do anything at all, especially again while it does not matter right now.

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago

I agree with you. IMO, it's not that different.

The big difference is between the tankie LARPer instances (lemmygrad, hexbear, parts of lemmy.ml) and the rest of the major instances.

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[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago

sh.itjust.works has a much funnier name.

[-] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

can't argue with that!

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

.world is the instance where most new users default to so and it has the highest user base and that includes a lot of trolls or just bad faith actors. Also, a lot of .world is based from reddit users who left and they brought that kind of mindset along. Some people don't like that either.

[-] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

What does it matter which users are on which server, since we all get the same content anyways, aside from defederation?

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago

we all get the same content anyways, aside from defederation?

We don't, though. We get whatever content people on our chosen instance have subscribed to. Even without blanket server bans, there are Lemmy-based websites that your host has never heard of, hosting content you do not have access to. Someone from your server has to introduce those sites, and subscribe to the communities on those sites, for your server to have their content.

The fediverse is subscription based. Shit doesn't get sent around unless it's specifically asked for.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 7 points 3 days ago

some instances pre-subscribe to new servers/communities across the verse using bots to 'pre-load' the /all/new for new users to be able to see locally to subscribe to

https://moist.catsweat.com/all/newest

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

They still need to know about the servers, though. There's no centralized index of servers. If you set up a lemmy-based website today, and you do nothing to make contact with the rest of the network, the network's not going to find out about you.

There's no home to phone to.

There's no canonical whole that we all have access to.

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[-] R3D4CT3D@midwest.social 5 points 3 days ago

it really doesn’t. those that make it about server handles are the reason movements fail, like get over yourself, ppl! hexbear came @ me pretty hard for my instance. fuck em.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

hexbear is true garbage.

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[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago

They are just two different servers. Lemmy.World is one of the really big ones. I had an account there but because of the size there were a lot of performance issues. I would recommend you join one of the smaller servers like sh.itjust.works. You have access to almost all the same information on the Fediverse.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 days ago

You'll miss out on the Beehaw community on Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, since Beehaw defederated from them

Lemmy.cafe is a nice general purpose instance that only defederates from the most extreme instances, while still giving access to Beehaw and all other instances. It's still small too, so it'd more effectively spread the load compared to creating an account on sh.itjust.works, which already has a pretty huge user count.

[-] mayhair@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 days ago

If you consider lemmy.ml and hexbear.net "most extreme" then sure.

[-] TGhost@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

An instance who is federating, with pedocriminality, far rights, etc,
Super this workaround,

Not every person on lemmy.ml is an "leftist" who wants imperialist system,

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[-] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 days ago

Basically none. Both are mainstream instances, not practicing any extreme moderation policy.

You might have confused lemmy.world with lemmy.ml which does have some communities with bad reputation.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances.

It's the largest by far, with five times the monthly active population of #2. One of the main things people want out of federated systems is decentralization, and having one huge dominant server goes against that goal.

I should note .world wasn't the biggest when I signed up. I picked it because mastodon.world was a known quantity, which led me to believe the same team would run a stable server.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

shit has the same or better level of infrastructure for a smaller user base

[-] Addition@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

I have accounts on both. Sh.itjust.works has a piracy community that .world blocks and is still federated with Hexbear for some reason. .world has old.lemmy.world if you liked the old reddit UI.

Otherwise, not that different.

[-] Grey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Lemmy.dbzer0.com has the best piracy community :D

[-] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Damn. I was considering making a sjw account to see if the better performance claims are true but hexbear is a dealbreaker. Never going back to that crazy cult site. I know I could block it but they'd still see my posts and comments.

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago

Also note that "blocking" it doesn't actually "block" much of anything at all - it stops you from seeing the communities located on that instance, but the users will still appear in posts all across the Fediverse, sending their harassing messages to you, pinging your Notifications every time they reply to you, downvoting your own comments, etc. The instance block function is horribly misnamed.

If you want to avoid this kind of thing, I second that recommendation to try Lemmy.cafe - it is the only Lemmy instance that defederates from the Big 3: hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, and Lemmy.ml. The latter one is like 1000x easier to deal with than hexbear, yet still nearly all of the most batshit insane comments I've received on Lemmy after defederating from the other two have come from it - and for similar reasons that they get used to how things work inside their echo chamber, and then behave the same way when they venture outside of it - so I consider having defederated from it too worthwhile overall. Although you will miss out on some content such as !Firefox@lemmy.ml that way.

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