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I've been consuming a lot of political content on both sides lately, but there's one thing that seems to be common among the Republicans. They always point out Kamala's shortcomings as a way to justify Trump's right to be president. They constantly bring up Kamala's wavering stances on fracking, the fact she hasn't been to the border, and a lot of other stuff. And i just think to myself "okay, so what? She's lied. So has Trump though". Why are republicans making it sound like Trump hasn't lied even moreso than Kamala?

Maybe the things Kamala lies about are so terrible? I really don't know. Maybe I'm just too biased. Am i missing something?

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago

The purpose of your post is to "beg the question" and launder a false premise that "she lies" as if the Republicans had any meaningful claims to make in that area. They don't. Your core position here is flawed.

Yes, trump is worse on all accounts. Always. Put him next to just about any living human being, save for the ones who's pants he drools on, he's worse. Without anything close to an equivalence.

[-] itsnotits@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago
[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I hesitated there, thanks. Do you feel confident with that spelling in this instance? Knew it felt off, but was sort of swimming in my head trying to decipher proper and didn't want to stop to look it up at that moment.

[-] lovely_reader@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Who's = who+is.

Only whose is possessive, always.

[-] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago

Just out of curiosity is there any reason, you’re aware of, that you went for “Trump and Kamala” as opposed to “Trump and Harris” when you wrote your post? I’ve got no clowns in this circus so it’s a genuine question.

[-] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

No reason at all. It just sounded better in my head

[-] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

Seems reasonable. After I posted I realised that “Donald and Harris” would be a meaningless word-soup in my head for a few seconds if you’d gone with that instead.

[-] Razzazzika@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Not OP, but boomers, you never refer to them as their first name, it's always Mr. or mrs. Last name. Genx started the trope of 'Don't call me Mr. X, Mr. X was my father. Genx started the trend of calling everyone by their given name that stuck with millenials and gen z.

[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 8 points 5 days ago

Republican supporters eat, sleep, and breathe contradicting thought. It’s baked into their worldview (looking at you, Christians).

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Perhaps the lies of a serious politician are more significant than the ramblings of an insane clown.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

Why are republicans making it sound like Trump hasn't lied even moreso than Kamala?

Because it works with their idiot base.

[-] asmoranomar@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

I was sitting at the doctor's office and overheard an old man claim Harris was so stupid that she couldn't figure out how to use a vacuum.

It broke MY brain trying to wrap my head around that one.

[-] Kaiyoto@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Some people choose to belittle others to make themselves feel bigger rather than strive to be better.

[-] Battle_Masker@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Generally speaking, a politician considers their voter base to either be the stupidest motherfuckers on the whole planet, or the most gullible. More often than not, it's the former

[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

They know what's going on, they know what they're doing. They just don't care, they like Trump they just can't argue their case and don't care to.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm trying to summon my inner Ben Shapiro here. This isn't my opinion but my understanding of what he has said on the subject.

While Trump lies a lot, he's fundamentally a bullshitter, which is different. A liar knows the truth but chooses to deceive, whereas a bullshitter doesn’t care about truth in the same way. When Trump says something like, "We’re going to withdraw from NATO," he’s often expressing a sentiment or creating leverage rather than making a literal commitment. He treats politics like business deals, where you start with an extreme offer, then meet somewhere in the middle. He has argued that in the case of NATO, for example, this approach worked: other member states did increase their defense spending (though the war in Ukraine played a role too).

So, the point is that Trump’s statements should often be taken as rhetorical posturing - ways to push for certain outcomes - rather than literal promises. From a Republican perspective, his actions during his first term ultimately aligned with their goals, which explains their relative tolerance of his exaggerations. In contrast, they see Kamala Harris (and Biden) as engaging in misrepresentation that has led to policies Republicans find harmful, so there’s a greater focus on what they see as her inconsistency between words and actions.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

That is a lot of mental gymnastics even for Shapiro.

When Trump says he is going to withdraw from NATO it isn't 4d chess he is playing. He is not a mastermind of anything. Rather he says and does what he is told to by his handlers.

He is not a businessman in any respect unless you mean a failed businessman whose image was rehabilitated by a reality TV show called the Apprentice.

If he had never touched his daddies money and just left it invested he would be several times wealthier than he is now.

He is perhaps the perfect person to destroy the presidency though which he has done a decent job at. You must understand the real goal of the conservatives is to prove our government is failing by making it fail.

[-] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

This is a perspective i have never seen before. While his methods still seem underhanded. It at least provides some logical basis as to why people still support Trump in spite of his lies

[-] lovely_reader@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

It's a stretch to assume they've thought it through to this degree.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Because it's nothing more than a popularity contest for them. This isn't the future of the country (or world) for them, it's junior prom.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Repubs have nothing but DARVO to work with when mudslinging.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

You could have a list of Harris' lies.

No one could compile a list of Trump's lies. It'd be much more reasonable to compile a list of truths he's said.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

To be honest, I do the same thing. I would vote for a dead person to avoid Trump's shortcomings.

[-] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

Some words.

There will always be sombody to disagree.

A good example, you could full whole heartedly be a kind and genuine person. And lets say theoretically, there is a poor starving man. You have food and give it to the starving man knowing your intention is to help and to not have any social, poltical, economical gain.

There will be people that claim he is not poor, people that will claim you did it a poltical, or social stunt. Are you sexist? You chose to help a man and not a women?? People that will paint you as the devil himself because your giving away food that sombody else could have had. Maybe there was sombody starving more? How dare you give away that bread!! There are millions of people and there will always be sombody who drinks the cool-aid.

Damn or be damned Make your choice with your best intent and live with it. For you will never know if it was the right decision, the world is emencly complex. I hope this helps explain politics and social antics.

I have learn alot of this lesson being autistic and seeing how others interpret mine or others actions and the potential outcomes.

[-] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

You are right. I get too obsessed with objectivity sometimes, but it seems like there's no such thing as the right choice only the one that's best for me

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's easier than coming up with policy proposals I guess. Trump needs something to talk about besides border, border, border.

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -4 points 6 days ago

Why do democrats bring up trumps "lies"/shortcomings as a way to claim kamala is better?

This isnt unique to a particular political party they all do it they always have they always will.

[-] notastatist@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago

Because its the only thing he does ? Just my two cents because Im from Europe.

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -1 points 4 days ago

Not really he does stand for some things that isnt just fabricated bullshit. He primary purpise of a politician is to lie ur way to getting as many votes as possible u would be blind to think otherwise. I dont like the guy buy i just fund the whole trump is hitler narrative is an exaggeration that is making the political divide worse than it actually is.

Just my 2 cents because im an aussie mainly here to piss off the American left and right equallity thats how i know im doing a good job.

[-] notastatist@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago

Bro, he talks so much bullshit its the only incredible thing he does. The purpose of a politican is not to lie, where I come from they make promises, where you know a lot of them wil not be fulfilled, but he is just spitting lies and saying stuff that never happened.

And yeah, he is not hitler and shouldnt be compared to him because in comparison he is a little frog eating his shitflies.

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