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[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Do they stupidly think trump will be better?

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Wouldn’t a more effective plan be to vote her in and then have protests, letter writing, strikes, media campaign, etc., to change U.S. policy?

Because with Trump there is no negotiation unless they can buy him, and even that’s not a guarantee.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago
[-] Banzai51@midwest.social 6 points 1 month ago

You have to understand that most Arab Americans in Michigan are lower 'c' conservative and frustrated the Republicans won't accept them. Unless the Dems completely abandon Israel to total destruction, they'll threaten to vote R.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

If that’s true, it’s a terribly shortsighted strategy.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

No, I doubt that they're stupid. They don't think that they other guy will be better. However, I also doubt that Sophie Scholl thought that her death alone would stop the Holocaust. Sometimes there's a moral line that you just can't cross.

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I wish Harris was coming out more strongly, or at all really, against Israel's genocide. I can't imagine Trump will do anything substantial to reduce the conflict, certainly not more than Harris will.

I do not understand the Sophie Scholl analogy. Sophie distributed anti-war leaflets, among other things. She did not advocate voting for another party that would likely just continue the war, while also removing other freedoms, into power.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social -1 points 1 month ago

The connection that I have in mind is, "doing what's moral, even if it might harm yourself."

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I do not understand how supporting Trump will result in a better outcome in Gaza 🤷 If anything, it seems like the opposite is likely.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Voting for trump (or proxy voting for him) is crossing a moral line.

And brings them further from their goal.

Rage voting doesn’t fix anything. It stands to make it worse.

I can’t understand some people’s drive to vote in a tyrant because they’re annoyed by a centrist.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago

The hitch is that other people do what's right according to their own moral reckoning, whether you understand it or not.

[-] blusterydayve26@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don’t think voting for Trump will help the Palestinians, when he says things like,

“you’ve got to have victory. You have to have a victory, and it’s taking a long time." Trump said that Israel must "finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life."

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Or, as we call it, cutting off the nose to spite the face.

As long as they own the side effects, then cool.

I get not voting for Harris. Voting for Trump, though? That's contemptible.

[-] averyminya@beehaw.org 2 points 1 month ago

"Yeah you know she's proposed a two state solution but Trump has told Israel to finish the job and threatened to deport protestors, so that makes Kamala a really, really bad option."

Some sort of logic like that I imagine.

[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

"Thank you for your vote. Now leave this country."

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