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Why are people arguing sentience and not the fact that this is another attempt to completely remove a sector of the workforce the way Covid was the conduit to remove a complete sector of the outside world? This shit is valued at nearly 200 billion dollars

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[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago

I can't think of anyone ever giving a shit about whether ai is sentient here, it's always about the pollution and exploitation of workers/artists.

[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

It comes up sometimes. But ultimately those who are concerned with AI sentience and rights only care if they look humanoid. If a roomba went on strike you’d punt that shit across the room, or just factory reset it

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago

I think you may have the wrong hexbear. Most discussions about llms here are how much they suck and or the awful problems they're going to cause when"ai" code turns out to have non-human readable bugs that no one can figure out.

[-] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

dude when AI art entered public awareness, there were exhausting struggle sessions on this for months, people saying over and over again "but I suffer from anphatasia! it helps me!", no matter how many times you told them these models are trained on stolen work. I got called very nasty things on here no matter how detailed my replies were. Fuck, It got so bad that one of the largest private trackers for CG content literally banned sharing AI tuts and softs because people shitted up the listings lmao. It was fine when LLMs were relatively niche back in 2020/2021, but the AI boom made it insufferable.

[-] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yea, the AI backlash is a very recent phenomenon here. This site is not beating the tech bro, tech gal, and tech enby allegations.

Another favorite pro AI retort was materialism cannot oppose technological progress as if boiling every lake on the planet for fancy auto complete was a requirement for technological progress.

[-] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Nah bro it might be the tankie in me, but I’ve seen some bazinga posting that our beautiful mods might wanna give a second look

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

I would like to reiterate, then, that per Marx the official party line on AI is "Thou shalt not make a machine in the image of a human mind"

We do not have a :bigworm: emoji.

[-] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

I quit discussing it when i got called an ableist and/or a luddite for saying AI art is derivative bullshit and theft. Those people will recognise themselves, and yes, I sill despise you. I dont have the appetite for struggle sessions so I usually disengage immediately.

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

the luddites were right so that's a erm-this-you moment

[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

called an ableist and/or a luddite for saying AI art is derivative bullshit and theft.

It’s really funny when people get upset when you don’t consider them an artist when using AI generated stuff. They’ll get indignant and scoff at requiring art to have “soul” and human effort. But why is that so bad? It’s okay. You don’t need to be an artist. You don’t have the skills or drive for it, and that’s fine. Most of us won’t ever be this or that. Generate an AI painting and have fun, and let the artists go do their work.

[-] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

i use AI trained on my own stuff, and then i heavily remix it, it has a use case but that requires producing actual stuff and knowing what to do with it, something tech bros struggle with.

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

I haven't seen anyone defending AI on here, but that should be a purgeable offense imo

[-] LigOleTiberal@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

if you're rich, to just want less humans on earth because it means less chance of a supervirus pandemic murdering them. it's almost their only vulnerability to immortality.

[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

if only there was some way of locking down and isolating a virus

[-] Stolen_Stolen_Valor@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

Probably because that shit is self evident.

[-] Ivysaur@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

The most salient argument against "AI" is that we just don't fucking need it. For anything. There is no reason it should exist. The ends 1,000,000% do NOT justify the means, and they never, ever will. That's all I have to say about this shit, and anyone who disagrees with this very basic premise is naive at best and should get out of the way. There are too many here like that, yes. You see assholes posting AI generated meme art here for the gags all the time and I want to scream. Unprincipled morons.

All of these discussions lack specificity. "AI" isn't a monolith and means a ton of different things. Image classification and targeting uses ML and it is very helpful and is used widely. Some TTS and STT applications could be considered AI as they use ML models for continuous improvement. Translation services use ML. Exoplanet hunting uses ML models. Your email filtering uses ML. AI stuff is used everywhere in cybersecurity. "AI=LLM" is missing a ton of nuance and information.

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