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It's been a long journey, but here we arrive. Welcome home.

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[-] Hellebert@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tried the official Reddit app today and boy people weren't joking when they say it sucks. I thought it'd just be the usual experience plus some ads but I was totally wrong.

The official app doesn't respect your subreddit subscriptions at all, instead force feeding you feeds of whatever their algorithm thinks will drive maximum engagement just like a shit version of Facebook. The "hot" etc functionality is completely stipped from it entirely.

Guess I'm here to stay on the fediverse now.

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What absolutely sucks about this is that I had carefully curated my subscriptions on RIF in order not to exacerbate my dumb mental health issues.

Hell, I've read angry posts about people in recovery from addiction and alcohol saying how they keep seeing ads for beer or gambling and things like that.

It's horrifying!!

[-] remi_pan@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The algorithm really doesn't work when you are critical or sceptical over a subject. For instance crypto sceptics from r/buttcoin being shown binance ads. Yes, they do show an interest in crypto, but may be the least suceptible persons to that ad.

[-] knova@links.dartboard.social 1 points 1 year ago

I think even calling it Lemmy is not the right move. Yeah, Lemmy is the server software running on a bunch of instances. But we also have kbin, and new softwares will pop up and fork and come and go over time. Once we can do some kind of account or community level migration, it won't matter whether you are on Lemmy or kbin or the next great thing. Everything will be federated so it will inter-op beautifully. If an unfriendly instance admin comes along, we can collectively cut and run with minimal interruption.

Thats still a way off from where we are now but the hard step was getting to the Fediverse in the first place. So, welcome to the newcomers among us.

[-] FiskFisk33@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

this is the future nerds like me have been imagining since the early 2000's

[-] norb@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Laughs in BBS

or

Laughs in Newgroups

[-] antik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, lemmy does have a certain BBS/FidoNet vibe. Makes me nostalgic…

[-] Borgzilla@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I still use both. 99% of Usenet is spam, but there still a few active groups (especially under comp.*). The BBS scene on the other hand, is booming. I see new users every week on my favourite board.

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Are they doing BBS-over-SSH these days, or do you need a dial-up modem to participate?

[-] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Sadly most people CAN'T connect through dial-up, even if both parties have all the equipment. A lot of telcos have redone their entire network in VoIP stuff (with heavy compression) which makes it hard to keep a connection even at 300.

[-] cvr@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

How does a current day BBS work? Landline phone connections are a thing of the past here.

[-] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

telnet or ssh (usually telnet)

If you're connecting from a modern computer, you just get a telnet client that does the appropriate code pages/ANSI/zmodem/etc. If you're connecting from a real vintage computer, you get a little dongle that pretends to be a modem (and often accepts AT commands, including fake phone numbers), but secretly connects to WiFi and relays through a telnet connection.

Some BBSes do still have landlines, and there's the occasional ham radio BBS, but 99.999% of it is through IP-based telnet or ssh these days.

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[-] melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I think the concept of the Fediverse is still really alien to people, even the people who are using it. Everyone is still so used to their centralized platforms, so they still think of the Fediverse in terms of platforms rather than as a whole.

You still hear people say "Mastodon" to mean the microblogging corner of the Fediverse even if they're not actually on Mastodon, and now people say "Lemmy" to mean the link aggregation corner of the Fediverse even if not everyone is actually on Lemmy.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I recently found and like the term "threadiverse" for reddit-like federated software

[-] sillypuddy@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Are you saying there's other reddit-like/inspired webservices that are part of the fediverse that aren't Lemmy? What are those?

[-] JohannesOliver@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Currently kbin is the only one I am aware of.

[-] melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Kbin already exists, and a decent portion of people are switching over. It's still early days though, so it remains to be seen how it all plays out.

[-] koze@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

It's funny to read this article about the death of Digg again:

In reality, Digg changed their business model and pretended that they didn’t. That is something that is unacceptable with communities and won’t be forgotten. Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian hit the nail on the head in an open letter to (now former) Digg CEO – Kevin Rose:

“You chose to grow with venture capital and you’ve no doubt (I hope) taken some money off the table in your Series C round. I say this because this new version of digg reeks of VC meddling. It’s cobbling together features from more popular sites and departing from the core of digg, which was to “give the power back to the people.”

https://searchengineland.com/digg-v4-how-to-successfully-kill-a-community-50450>

[-] SuitedUpDev@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago

Oh sweet, sweet irony.

[-] ellabella@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

The one true constant for me is 4chan 😅

[-] Confuzzeled@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I used 4chan when I was younger but trying to go back after reddit was super depressing, I lasted about 5 minutes.

[-] toadmode@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

4chan definitely got worse. like it was always edgy and stupid, but after 2015 every board just kind of became /pol/

[-] amki@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I kinda grew out of it. It was funny when I was an edgy teenager but it got progressively more cringeworthy as time progressed for me, even though the content may not have changed much.

[-] darkmugglet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I stopped engaging with Reddit when meme-ification happened.Wheb it became all about the lolz abd short pithy responses, I started using it to find more interesting articles. Gone are the days wheb the average Redditor would read and make thoughtful contributions.

[-] tezoatlipoca@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

You're missing the precursors:

Email -> Newsgroups -> CGI forums / IRC -> Slashdot... :)

The new Fediverse really is kicking up IRC and newsgroup vibes for this old timer. Its very exciting.

[-] eclipxe@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

+1 you're right. Especially IRC...oh how I miss those days.

[-] alternativeninja@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

I miss that moment when I became the cool kid in the channel because I had an IRC bouncer

[-] ASCIIansi@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

If we're including those then I think we have gone full circle and are back in the safe waters of protocols

[-] Cobe98@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Same fucking journey as you. Reddit was a good run for 10 years, let's see if Lemmy can work.

[-] amki@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

What do we do if it doesn't? Just crawl back and apologize?

[-] OneRedFox@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Consider exploring other Fediverse platforms before heading back to Reddit.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, since there's no central site to shut down, Lemmy failing would pretty much just mean that it stagnates and some of the bigger instances shut down, at which point there still would be some remnant of it left to stay on, if a smaller one. Failing that, it isn't the only reddit alternative that people have been working on, so maybe one of the others will be more successful.

[-] blindsight@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly; if an instance goes down, then users can migrate to a new instance.

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[-] EonNShadow@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

Journey Before Destination

[-] l0st_scr1b3@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Gonna be honest it's kinda weird to me as someone who did just move over that there's a bunch of posts from people who just found the Fediverse claiming it as home while there's people who have been here since it's creation. It's got the implication that this was created as some sort of next jump from Reddit which doesn't really seem to be the case from my perspective.

[-] hadrian@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I see what you mean to an extent, and I also just moved over, but it's worth remembering that Digg -> Reddit was the same afaik. Like Reddit had been around and established for a decent amount of time before the fall of Digg. (This is second-hand info because I wasn't around at the time)

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I bet some early Redditors felt the same way about the Digg refugees.

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[-] Lowered_lifted@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I had the same journey but I'm pretty sure I found Slashdot by way of boingboing which I found by way of Diesel Sweeties blog posts when I first got a DSL connection in 2002 and was looking for comics and blogs to fill up my trendy new RSS reader lol

[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I skipped Fark, but my progression is largely the same. Once in a blue moon, I still visit Slashdot. It's like checking up on an ex to see how they're doing.

[-] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Slashdot -> kuro5hin -> reddit -> Lemmy for me.

Any old k5ers on here?

It'll be great to see more people showing up on Lemmy.

[-] Breakpr0d@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I realise that this is unpopular. But personally while I disagree with the decision to charge (exorbitantly) for the api and appalled at the slander hurled at the dev, I think that is an business choice and one more item that I have to disagree and live with.

But I am very excited about the rise of the fediverse. I know that a company will eventually make a decision that I feel very passionately about, but I will be stuck making a difficult choice. With the fediverse, it provides the users with the opportunity to have control. This power of course often comes with various other costs (lack of a dedicated sre or moderation teams, etc). But I expect that over time this will evolve into options where paid offerings will come up that allows for higher QoS where required.

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