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Actual alternatives to Trump?
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What does “retry Jan 6” mean? Was there a plan or goal?
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It means another violent coup attempt. It's what fascists do when they're not popular enough to gain/retain power by legitimate means.
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I won’t vote blue. Too much racism, to much classism. They want to divide people into groups then make each group fight.
No thanks.
I just won’t vote if there isn’t a good candidate but I won’t vote for bigots.
Too much racism
That's a good joke. Republicans are placing bans on teaching black history, vote to keep confederate statues, have literal neo-nazis on their side, all while waving confederate flags.
Nothing the democrats could ever do could ever compete with that.
It’s not a joke. It’s why I won’t vote for the democrats.
If you don’t want to talk about conservative politics then why be here ?
If you don’t want to talk about conservative politics then why be here ?
Never said that I didn't want to talk about conservative politics. This question is a bad faith one.
It isn’t bad faith. You made a trolling comment.
The democrats are a party based on racism and classes. Everyone is a victim and they need the government to fix their problems.
I don’t agree with that. I believe people can be successful without a nanny state. I support small government which is a gripe of mine with the current Republican Party.
I voted for the democrats twice and nothing came from it. I won’t make that mistake again.
You made a trolling comment.
If by trolling you mean "critical", then sure, but otherwise no.
The democrats are a party based on racism and classes. Everyone is a victim and they need the government to fix their problems.
Not really. The democrats are a corporate owned, vaguely centrist to right wing party. As for your nanny state worries, those just honestly don't make sense.
I voted for the democrats twice and nothing came from it
Our political system is intentionally designed to only change slowly. So expecting massive change from 2 single votes is quite frankly ridiculous. And again, democrats are corporate owned, so even when they get in they largely don't do anything useful.
Just saying joke isn’t critical.
I wouldn’t say they’re centrist. They want to dismantle the police, spend more without figuring out how to pay for anything. They push misogynistic policies. The democrats are just a mess.
Both parties are owned by corporations. It’s why I want more parties. I’m not a fan of AOC but she has my respect for telling Amazon to screw off. I feel the same about de Santis and Disney.
Companies should not be running the show.
They want to dismantle the police, spend more without figuring out how to pay for anything. They push misogynistic policies.
None of that is true.
The democrats are just a mess.
They absolutely are, but not for the ressons you're listing. That's why I hate voting for them but unfortunately do because there are no better choices thanks to our dumb two party system.
Companies should not be running the show.
I agree. And thats why I think giving politicians money in any form should be criminalized, we should switch to STAR voting, elections should be run from shared fund pools, etc.
That is all true.
Democrats are pushing for defunding the police.
https://rollcall.com/2022/04/27/defund-the-police-still-haunts-democrats/
Spending.
Democrats are the ones pushing to allow trans women into female safe spaces such as sports and locker rooms. While I support trans woman, I don’t support taking away from women to benefit trans women.
https://rollcall.com/2022/04/27/defund-the-police-still-haunts-democrats/
A minority of democrats support this as its commonly understood, and so it's not true that democrats support this.
This isn't a source from the democrats and therefore doesn't support your conclusion that democrats have no spending plan.
I don’t support taking away from women to benefit trans women.
You don't need to take away from women for trans people to have rights.
They changed tune after they say people didn’t want that and crime was increasing. Yet still some are pushing it such as
It shows a trillion dollar deficit increase. Thats spending without a plan.
When trans rights infringe on the rights of women. Something has to give. That is the issue. Jk Rowling has written some wonderful articles on the topic. She changed my views since they’re coming from a feminist view.
They changed tune after they say people didn’t want that and crime was increasing. Yet still some are pushing it such as
Doesn't matter because most democrats never supported it as you understand it.
It shows a trillion dollar deficit increase. Thats spending without a plan.
Which is tame in comparison to how much it grows under republicans. Under democrats the deficit usually goes down, under republicans it usually explodes. That's because democrats are generally better at economics. Republicans just give tax breaks to the rich and borrow the remainder.
When trans rights infringe on the rights of women.
They don't though.
Jk Rowling has written some wonderful articles on the topic
I'm going to continue to avoid her bigoted ass like the plague.
I understand it well. Cut funding to the police to use it for other community resources. An unproven model that is risky. If they really wanted to show it works, raise taxes and fund both.
At least in the past twenty years excluding Covid. It’s never grown faster. No democrats are not better with economics. They spend without a plan.
As a high income earner, I’ve only received one drastic tax increase and that was under Trump. He raise taxes on high income earners and nobody noticed unless you were a high income earner. It was sneaky as hell.
They do. Women should have the right to compete against other females in sports and shouldn’t be subjected to undressing in front of trans women. This is a topic many females have spoken out about and people ignore. It’s something the democrats want to push and honestly the republicans want to go to far the other direction. We need a compromise that doesn’t harm females.
I don’t find her bigoted at all. Maybe it’s your misogyny creeping through but I typically don’t bash a woman for speaking on issues regarding women. That’s misogyny. She’s entitled to her opinion as a feminist.
An unproven model that is risky. If they really wanted to show it works, raise taxes and fund both.
It isn't unproven, and the second wouldn't make conservatives happy anyways so I'm not sure why you're suggesting it.
And again, the majority of democrats never supported this.
No democrats are not better with economics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_under_Democratic_and_Republican_presidents
https://www.factsarefirst.com/metrics/gdp-growth/
https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-by-president/
They are.
Women should have the right to compete against other females in sports and shouldn’t be subjected to undressing in front of trans women.
Trans rights doesn't exclude this first bit, and dressing rooms should be private. This isn't hard.
She’s entitled to her opinion as a feminist.
She is a self described TERF, aka a bigot.
It’s highly unproven.
In the large cities, it’s mainly democrats. They don’t need to make conservatives happy. They need to make their base happy.
I live in a larger city but it’s fairly conservative. We fund our police.
The economy is a lumbering thing. It’s hard to give credit to anyone during their term. It takes years for change to work through the system.
The only democrat to have democrat to show good financial sense was Clinton.
GDP growth is often tied to excessive government spending and borrowing. Watch the deficit grow next Biden and Obama. Stealing the children’s future isn’t good spending
She’s a terf because of the term feminist. She isn’t bigoted. She just doesn’t seem a trans woman and a biological woman as the same. Her articles are interesting read. My best friend is trans. My gf doesn’t feel comfortable with trans women in her safe spaces. As a man, I think this is an issue with women to solve. I think they need to come to a solution.
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The democrats want to divide everyone into victim classes and tell everyone they can’t make it because th deck is stacked against them. It’s learned helplessness.
Even the leader of the Neo Nazis voted for Biden.
No thank you. The democrats are just racist and bigots.
Even the leader of the Neo Nazis voted for Biden.
There are more Neo Nazis groups in America than just one. And the particular one you mention was immediately disavowed by Biden.
When Trump was endorsed by the same guy, Trump said nothing until he was pressured to do so.
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-campaign-disavows-richard-spencer-endorsement-2020-8
The valid conclusion here is not the one you're coming to.
Doesn’t change he voted for Biden.
A normal person wouldn’t disavow something. You only do that when people may be confused. Biden has a history of being a racist. So I understand him wanting to pretend to distance himself from Spencer.
Doesn’t change he voted for Biden
As already explained, this is not equivalent.
A normal person wouldn’t disavow something.
Yes, they absolutely would, especially when they're nazis.
No because no reasonable person would associate Nazis and Trump. Not even sure why we are talking about Trump since he’s not really a conservative.
What sort of idiot would think Trump who has a Jewish daughter is a Nazi?
Biden on the other hand has shown support for the KKK and other white supremacist ideology. I get why he tried to put a block to that one.
No because no reasonable person would associate Nazis and Trump.
That's not what the conversation is about though. You said:
"A normal person wouldn’t disavow something."
Are you unable to keep track?
What sort of idiot would think Trump who has a Jewish daughter is a Nazi?
I never made that claim.
Biden on the other hand has shown support for the KKK and other white supremacist ideology.
That's some horseshit. Your ability to fact check is lacking.
Yes a reasonable person wouldn’t need to disavow since nobody would associate the two.
No, you brought up Trump. You said he didn’t disavow Spencer. Correct as no reasonable person would think trump supported Spencer since his daughter is Jewish.
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/bidens-history-getting-away-racist-remarks
Would be nice if you even attempted to fact check things. Biden is well known for his racist views.
Yes a reasonable person wouldn’t need to disavow since nobody would associate the two.
Yeah that makes no sense. If a Nazi supports me I'm going to tell them to fuck right off regardless. That's the right thing to do.
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/bidens-history-getting-away-racist-remarks
And this is just a propaganda group.
It’s a conservative group and this is a conservative forum and it’s cited. I get you don’t like facts but you should read it and have a discussion about it.
It's not just a conservative group, it's just pure propaganda.
You gotta go to higher quality sources than that.
What is incorrect in the article? Which cite do you disagree with?
I'm not going to waste my time with a propaganda site.
And this whole excerise is just silly, because Biden doesn't represent all democrats. Most of us hate him. So it makes no sense to extrapolate how racist democrats are off of him, especially when you're not even considering the very long list of racist shit Trump has done.
He’s the leader of the democrats right now.
I’ll give you the same challenge. What is the racist thing Trump said that really riles you up? Just show one or two things.
He’s the leader of the democrats right now.
And he doesn't represent all democrats
I’ll give you the same challenge
I've already explained why this comparison is silly.
Cos you know you can’t cite it. It’s just a feeling. I like facts and not feelings.
Biden is the de facto leader of the party as long as he’s president. Another 4-5 years unless he has a major illnesss.
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I gave $20 to Bill Hurd, but that ship never left harbor let alone got any speed going on. Haley is cool, I could handle her. I think her take on abortion was really fair. I would like it better if the "national 15 week ban" meant that no state could do it tighter than that. Roe actually protected up to 12 weeks, and states could be more aggressive. So a "national 15 week ban / protection" would be less than some states want but certainly more than others do.
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