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[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 96 points 5 months ago

Iiiiiiiits NAZI PUNCHING TIME!!!!!

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 101 points 5 months ago

I oppose punching Nazis.

You might hurt your hand.

Use an object instead.

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

I enjoy the satisfaction of a broken hand after some nazi punching. Reminds me I did something good for the world.

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[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 months ago
[-] Cobrachicken@lemmy.world 93 points 5 months ago

These days, and especially with the continuing shift to the right in Europe, I'm repeatedly asking myself what the attractiveness of these ideologies is, that so many people again fall for them. They represent destruction not future. They do not have a plan for the future, they are only "against" everything good.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 57 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They construct an ideology where everything was great way back when foreign powers were jealous of our national heritage and destroyed everything. It's a very easy to grasp and convenient myth, since your nation becomes the main character of history.

Nationalism/patriotism is very succeptible to falling for fascist ideology. Therefore, everyone waving their national flag with pride is sus to me.

[-] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Your last sentence especially hit it home for me. I'm not currently proud of America, and I myself would feel like a total jamoke waving around the US flag with a grin right now.

But I will vote and try my best to fight for a country that I can be proud of.

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[-] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 55 points 5 months ago

Same thing any "in group" feeds on: self esteem. If you feel powerless, or worthless, or rudderless, any group that makes you feel powerful, valuable, and effective is going to be very appealing. Conservatives (read: fascists) prey on this. They make it seem like joining them is brave, and important. And since their followers lack identity and purpose, their self worth becomes entangled with [in group], be it closeted fascism such as the American GOP, or flaming such as Q/proud boys/whatever. And since their identity and value depends on the perpetuation and proliferation of their in group, they willingly accept lies and falsehood. Pretty easy to gaslight someone who's encouraging it.

Then when they wear their symbols of hate, or make shocking claims, or in anyway troll and grief society, up to and including dismantling democracy, they get a reaction. They've exerted their will on the world around them, and as such they feel powerful. The insidious bit is, even if the good guys win, with all their high falutin factual arguments and social programs, it just makes these sad people angier and feel worthless again. So they go right back to their pimps for some more sweet lies and marching orders.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

How do I upvote a comment twice?

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[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

This is spot on and something I teach in social psychology. One thing that helps is increasing membership in other groups so that the dismantling of one group doesn't fracture their self identity. Granted I usually teach this with more benign examples (e.g. if you're a "good student" and get a bad grade, it hurts more depending on how important it is to your identity). But the idea is the same.

A few things you can look up though: cognitive dissonance, confirmation biases, contact hypothesis, and probably a few more. The funny thing is, social psychology as a discipline boomed after WW2 because people wanted to know why Nazis were Nazis. It's only recently we also realized that social rejection uses the same parts of the brain as physical pain, though.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 21 points 5 months ago

Fascism preys on the ideas of regime change and stagnation. Physically, a government wishing to gather power through voters will promise new public works, a focus on workers, and the general embetterment of society. Ideologically, fascism promises a purging of those in power, those that lead the stagnation and bad working conditions that started the movement. They conveniently pin in on a group of people or a few undesirable groups to appeal to a large number of the population and then make a grab for power. Bad times and stagnation create fascism.

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[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago

How are these people not named and shamed? They are just standing there in public with no mask on wearing a swastika and giving a nazi salute? And then, what, they go back to selling real estate or what..? When is this even from?

[-] Waldowal@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

Picture is from 2010 in Knoxville Tennesee. Can't find any other info on the girl:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/swastika-nazi-salute/

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[-] c0smokram3r@midwest.social 44 points 5 months ago

NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF 👊🏼

[-] UrbonMaximus@feddit.uk 14 points 5 months ago

Don't think I've seen a bigger oxymoron before... The definition of punk is being anti-authoritarian.

[-] ettyblatant@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

It's in reference to the Dead Kennedys' song with that same title. There was a rise in far right "punk music" along with early skinhead (neo-nazi) movement when the song was written. Nazi punks were trying to flood the scene and people were not letting them.

"Nazi punks" beat the oxymoron by being anti-authoritarian, just depending on who's authority they reject.

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[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We also had a war over being a conservative Loyalist, vs a proud progressive patriot, but people seem to forget that happened.

You don't get to be a regressive conservative, and be a proud American

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Approximately one war every 80 years is what we're on pace for.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 16 points 5 months ago

Gotta wait for the last people who experienced the horrors first hand to finally retire from power.

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Yeah I actually think this is literally why. As a species we can write things down all we want but we struggle to truly understand things we didn't experience.

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[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 29 points 5 months ago

Well the US was very much in love with the nazi party until it became politically inexpedient. Then they pretended they never were but didn't actually change anything

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[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Honest question, did we fight the Nazis because they were Nazis as we know them today (genocidal/racist/fascist)? Or did we fight the Nazis because they were attacking our allies?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

The US government under Roosevelt was opposed to the Nazis from the start, before WW2 began, on account of its fascist character.

While America was deeply racist at the time, it was also very unevenly racist, and even prominent Nazi fellow-travelers like Charles Lindbergh expressed revulsion at the level of Nazi racism displayed.

The genocide proper didn't begin until WW2, and by the time we were already, for all practical purposes, 'in the game', so to speak.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 months ago

That's a complicated question without a clear answer. It's hard to establish the motivations of an individual person, but much harder when you're talking about the entire country. Generally, people were united in the war effort, but for a variety of reasons. The NYT downplayed the Holocaust and specifically tried to avoid focusing on antisemitism, in part because they were worried that people wouldn't like the idea of fighting a war to protect Jewish people, as racism and antisemitism were very much present. On the other hand, you had people like folk singer Woody Guthrie who explicitly connected the war to anti-fascism in his songs. But there were also plenty of people and media who had been praising Hitler, before he started invading everywhere.

Basically there were lots of reasons for lots of people to dislike the Nazis, so it's kind of hard to detangle who was motivated by what and to what degree. Generally though, if they had kept to their own borders, it's unlikely that any other country would have invaded them just for being fascists, and many countries went through great lengths not to go to war with them, because nobody wanted to recreate the devastation of WWI. Even then the US wasn't willing to get directly involved until it was directly attacked.

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[-] sudo42@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Every year, we open up a stadium for a giant Pro Slavery + Pro Nazi + Pro Confederacy rally. At the end of the rally, we lock all the doors and sell everyone in the stadium to the highest-bidding slavers.

Everyone at the rally gets to enjoy their pro-slavery desires and everyone else is rid of them. Win-win.

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

um... who do we sell them to? if it's someone outside the stadium, aren't they also pro-slavery? wouldn't that mean they'd also be in the stadium? also, wouldn't we, then, end up with a lot of slaves?

this seems like a bad idea for a few reasons, the least of which is the hypocrisy...

[-] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

Qatar. We sell them to Qatar.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Evil never rests. Neither should we

[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 months ago

She's a Nazi, George.

[-] EherNicht@feddit.org 18 points 5 months ago

You don’t get to be a German and not feel pain - a lot of pain.

[-] ghostface@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

But not yours to bare my German brother from across the pond.

Germany has learned ( IMO) that while nazi party rose in Germany. Germany isnt the Nazi party. The United States never learned the lessons from this historical past.

Danke

[-] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Well said. And Fck AfD. You guys keep fighting the good fight.

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[-] wieson@feddit.org 13 points 5 months ago

There were also wars of "being a Native American and being allowed to live" Vs "fucking dying".

I guess wars aren't always a good metric.

[-] Redredme@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago
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