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[-] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 78 points 3 days ago

I don't think Microsoft (or Apple) want people to have personal computers anymore in the way that PCs have historically existed. That is to say, they don't want your computer capable of running arbitrary code of your choosing. They don't want your computer to have the potential to do everything, to run everything, to make anything.

They want to control and lock down all aspects of your machine and what it can do, retain ownership of hardware via software licenses, and monetize every click and keystroke.

Microsoft doesn't want you to have a functional computer anymore, they want you to have a dummy terminal that runs Office 365 and Copilot.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 5 hours ago

I don't know that I agree. I think they do. However:

  • Apple only wants you to be able to do those things if you're buying the software through their store. Honestly I'm shocked they still allow you to "sideload" software on MacOS. They can be very unpredictable sometimes. And;

  • MS only wants you to be able to do those things if you're looking at their ads and they're monetizing your data.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

They want PCs that work like smartphones, with apps completely self contained and unmodifiable, where the OS is a black box that no one but them can see in to.

[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Smartphones are actually a good window into what computers in general would have been like had the IBM bios not been reverse engineered and survived a bunch of legal challenges.

[-] ericjmorey@programming.dev 16 points 3 days ago

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy - Ida Auken

[-] egeres@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I think if it was up to them, and latency was low enough, they probably would have pushed some kind of "fully remote convertible laptop" where they literally own everything you do in a cloud, I don't even want to search if this is a thing that exist already

[-] Matthew@midwest.social 2 points 3 days ago

We've been most of the way their for a long while with thin clients. They have just enough computational capacity to connect to someone else infrastructure. Its also how schools use Chromebooks for the most part too

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[-] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 26 points 3 days ago

You're welcome guys. I installed Linux on an iMac yesterday. It was all me.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 5 hours ago

I tried to do the same but mine has an Nvidia GPU :(

[-] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Just a reminder to take the data in that site with a grain of salt. I used to share them a lot, but then decided to read more about their methodology, and turns out it's mostly a black box, so they may be subject to several kinds of biases, and we can't even know. For example, we don't know which sites use their analytics and if there's a geographical bias. We also don't know how their scripts work and how the data is collected from devices. It would be nice if we had more sources of marketshare data to compare

[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

For sure, I wish they gave us more data. The trend seems to be going up so that's nice.

[-] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 70 points 4 days ago

I've had LMDE on a USB stick for a few months now, waiting for the right time to boot it up on my wife's PC, and she finally agreed to try it tonight. Cross your fingers, boys; we may soon have another convert.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago

If she doesn't like it, find a new wife!

[-] wiki_me@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago

/r/relationship_advice is leaking.

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[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 days ago

Glad for Linux going up, but the numbers should really come from Windows more than from MacOS.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

How much of this is regular people just not buying new computers anymore?

A lot of households that used to have had a laptop for each person have replaced those devices with phones and tablets. They weren't using Linux, so by removing them Linux market share would go up even if it hasn't actually grown.

[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Last I checked, Linux users also use phones.

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

I think the argument is that as less people have desktops and laptops, the only people left will be more technical (otherwise they'd just use a phone or tablet). The more technical people are also likely to use Linux. So as non-technical people move to tablets and phones, technical people make up a larger share of laptop/desktop users.

[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Three cheers for King Torvalds and Lord Gaben!

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 41 points 4 days ago

How much of this is decline at the expense of Windows 11, due to Steam lowering barriers to entry, fatigue with Windows' hard selling, and/or extending the useful like of hardware that W11 abandoned.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

Copilot / Recall was the last straw for me. My only relationship with Microsoft for the last 10 years has been, "how much more of Microsoft's sh*t am I willing to put up with?"

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I 100% put money on the fact that linuxes surge in popularity and usability is 100% because Valve, a multi-billion dollar company, stepped in and started dragging it forward in ways that the fractuous nature of the community never could.

Windows 11 being a spytastic invasive dogpile was just extra fuel on the fire.

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[-] Allero@lemmy.today 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yes, this was big news all over Lemmy when it happened.

Thanks for bringing it up though! Not everyone might have known that.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

First off, I DO NOT count ChromeOS, but whatever.

Secondly, when is 18% of anything “dominant”??? The fuck? Arstechnica back up off the pipe.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 points 3 days ago

They probably mean of Linux flavored ps coverage.

(I'm aware Mac is very different than Linux, but it is more closely grouped with Linux than Windows)

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 3 points 3 days ago

It's more BSD than anything.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 13 points 3 days ago

Linux founder Linus Torvalds, for example, has suggested that a lack of a standardized desktop that goes across all Linux distros has held back Linux adoption on desktop.

Yeah. Well, in on Linux in large part because of the diversity, choice, and options. If I wanted a monolithic, incestuous lock-in culture, I'd be on Windows, or a Mac.

Linux may have been simply making an observation, not a judgment, but fuck monocultures.

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[-] 1984@lemmy.today 16 points 3 days ago

It's cool and all, but I'm surprised it's not 10% at this point. Microsoft is shitting in their customers mouth and Apple is a luxury brand at this point.

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 24 points 3 days ago

Because every computer bought by the average human being, has Windows on it.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

4% is high considering there are probably more corporate desktops tham personal ones

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[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

For desktop or everything else. Because if its:

Web Servers, Supercomputers, Android Smartphones, Smart TVs, Network Routers, Network Switches, Embedded Devices, IoT Devices, NAS (Network-Attached Storage) Devices, Raspberry Pi, Smartwatches, Home Automation Devices, Google Chromebooks, Set-top Boxes, Drones, Digital Signage Devices, 3D Printers, Medical Devices, ATM Machines, Point of Sale (POS) Devices, Digital Cameras, Gaming Consoles, Virtual Private Servers (VPS), Automotive Infotainment Devices, Mainframes, Telecommunications Equipment, Scientific Research Equipment, Security Devices, Cloud Servers, Network Firewalls, Storage Area Networks (SAN), Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) Devices, Customer Relationship Management (CRM) Devices, Big Data Analytics Devices, Machine Learning Devices, Artificial Intelligence Devices, Financial Trading Devices, Air Traffic Control Devices, Spacecraft Control Devices, Weather Forecasting Devices, Broadcast Automation Devices, Railway Signaling Devices, Electric Grid Control Devices, Smart Meters, E-Readers, Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Stations, Robotics Devices

then Linux (or some kind of *Nix system) is probably what is running it. The only market share I dont see is desktop.

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[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 20 points 4 days ago

Played csgo last night and this guy brought up he was playing on Linux Mint. Lfg, I was so happy.

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

seems I'm too boomer for this shit, apparently phones count as "personal computers".

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/

look at this graph and tell me that mac os is "dominant".

(the numbers for those who don't want to click the link)

Android = 43.86%

Windows = 27.97%

iOS = 17.8%

OS X = 5.64% (when did they stop calling it mac os?)

unknown = 1.96%

Linux = 1.44% (we're still last place guys!)

[-] graphene@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Linux people generally use adblockers so I somewhat doubt all these analytics websites that don't have a methodology that wouldn't be blocked by adblockers listed

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago

Music and graphic art software is the only advantage I can find for MacOS over Linux at this point. I love the Apple silicon but I don't see that being a long term advantage.

[-] anonymoose@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago

Stability and UI/UX are still lightyears ahead in Mac, and to some extent Windows. Don't get me wrong, they suck for lots of reasons, but I think Linux has a lot of catching up to do to be as usable as Mac/Windows for the ordinary user.

I think standardizing package formats, and more mature desktop managers and proprietary drivers will go a long way to fixing that though.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

People find Windows easier to use because they are used to the quirks. Of course you shouldn't let a beginner try Arch, but there are plenty of beginner friendly distros. The complications often come from installing Linux in the first place but the average user will have just as much trouble installing Windows.

[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

I think most users dont install windows period. It just comes with the computer. And if it breaks, they get a new one. Thats it.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Yes, that's my point. If people could buy Linux PCs at Best Buy or Walmart, most of them would get on with it just fine.

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[-] sunzu@kbin.run 8 points 4 days ago

What is your definition of stability lol

Windows crashes are standard... Linux are pretty rare. At least in my exp

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[-] kinsnik@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

"dominance"... You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

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