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Agreed that we hear a lot of this "we need to replace Biden if we want to win" that did not exist prior to the debate. It makes me wonder how much of the confusion is manufactured by outside influencers (just like in 2016) because all the dictators of the world would love to have Trump running the show again. They get anything they want while Trump strips the US for parts and installs his kids to govern over all that can't escape. He eventually loses the remaining "him" that is left and sits in his money like Scrooge McDuck with full on dementia unaware of what is even going on or where he is.
I've known that the DNC would have to replace the incumbent if they wanted to win in 2024 since 2015, when the party revealed its true colors by openly conspiring against their own best candidate in the primary.
Biden only won in 2020 because of a backlash to four years under Trump, and he doesn't have that advantage anymore. So either the Dems roll out a populist, or the lack of enthusiasm for the candidate gives the White House back to Trump.
The DNC can't afford to run a Bernie type, their campaign financiers wouldn't stand for it. So they'll force Biden through and plan to milk the inevitable electoral loss for as much fundraising as they can.
I don't see how you grok that Biden won in 2020 because people didn't like four years under Trump, BUT somehow when Trump has done nothing but double down on his bad ideas and now filled his future cabinet full of Project 2025 folks, that people are willing to choose the choice they know is worse because .... enthusiasm? (or lack there of you argue)
This isn't like picking a sports team, or a popularity contest, or crowning the prom King and Queen. This is a choice between the guy that wants to make life worse for anyone not white, wealthy, and Christofascist - and the guy that people just aren't "enthusiastic" about. That doesn't even seem like a serious choice to me, and anyone needing to even contemplate it needs to become a little less self-centered and think about everyone in their life that will without a doubt be affected by Project 2025. They plan to roll back the rights of millions of Americans, from woman, to LGBTQ+, to Hispanic and Black Americans. They plan to setup death camps and round up anyone they see as "unamerican". They plan to raise everyone's taxes (unless you make over 340+K a year - those people all the way up to Billionaires get a tax cut). They plan to fire tens of thousands of civil service workers to install people that have taken a pledge to be loyal to Trump and the fascist party. They plan to roll back ALL climate change regulation, and anything that has to do with clean energy. They plan to replace it with coal/oil, and to remove the actual term "climate change" from all government documents and education materials. And the list just goes on and on for over 900 pages.
I don't see how if your being at all honest, and have even a shred of compassion for ANYONE on this earth, you couldn't vote for even a potato over Trump and his Project 2025 fascist wet dream. And this is 100% what anyone that doesn't want to be living under fascism come November should be educating people about. Trumps plan hurts all but his very upper echelon, but the cult will trick these people into voting against their best interests unless the media stops this constant both sides bullshit that has fueled this cult from the beginning.
/rant
It's not about people's individual choices, it's about whether or not they're inspired en masse to take time out of their day to go vote. After four years of Trump people were very ready for not-Trump, and after four years of not-Trump the people who would vote against him have largely forgotten or suppressed the trauma of those years. They are no longer massively aggrieved by Trump's mishandling of the covid pandemic, which is a large part of why he lost in 2020.
You can explain all the awful things coming if Biden loses, but that doesn't inspire, that terrifies. Terrified people don't have hope, and don't bother to vote like people who expect good things to come in the future. Pessimistic voters are more likely to stay home on voting day.
The fascists are going to win because all liberals have to offer is neoliberalism and bipartisanship, maybe an incremental reform if they can get enough Republicans on board. They hate socialists more than fascists, and their constamt rejection of their own left wing has seen their implementation of Romneycare as their most significant legislation this century.
It's deliberate. They're planning to lose because having a Republican in office is good for fundraising and winning would require that they overthrow their own figurehead. The people in a position to change this course were all appointed by Biden and won't turn on him because their jobs depend on being on his side.
I can understand the outlook of another Trump victory being disenfranchising, that is what the fascists are depending on. It's Bannon's flood the field with shit so that you can't tell wtf is going on, and people just give up.
So knowing this, the non-fascist citizens need to spread the message the best they can about the Rights plan(s). Don't let people in your circles become disenfranchised, offer to drive them to the polls if need be.
And I think your last point may have held water for the old school Democrats, but this election kinda blows all of that out of the water. Trump has threatened to come after members of Congress should he win. If you aren't on team fascist you're not going to be safe from Project 2025. And all the fundraising in the world does nothing if the GOP and the corrupt SCOTUS let Trump just stop elections "for national security" under some "protecting elections" nonsense. He has been priming his cult to accept it for years now.
I'm not going to waste my time driving voters to the polls in a non-swing state, I'm getting as many queer folks out of the red zone as possible before Trump takes office.
Getting people out is commendable. However, if everyone in a non-swing state forgoes voting, that just lowers turnout and will help fuel Trump's election denial plan the Right will launch if they don't crown him king on election night.
And I don't mean to be shitting on someone doing a good thing for a vulnerable group, but we need to win with numbers that are outside any reasonable margin of error.
The confusion after the debate comes from those of us with eyes and ears. There is no world where Joe Biden can be defended as capable of another four years. To believe that is as big a lie as the stolen election nonsense the Rs have been pushing.
It's a vote for or against fascism. Would anyone else but Biden be a better choice, almost certainly, but currently that's not an option yet. And Biden is currently doing the job, so he seems at least somewhat capable right now.
So the worst case scenario is Biden doesn't step aside and we all need to vote Biden and just have Harris try the 25th down the road, but that can all be handled outside the urgency of a fascist coming to power.
I think it's a lot and the OP is one of those trolls if you look at their post history. I mean, these people do NOTHING but lambast Biden but don't say shit about Trump. Kind of odd isn't it?
I bet all these people saying to replace him would hide away if they did and then new polls come out showing the new nominee is trailing Trump by even greater margins. Because that's precisely what would happen.