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Damn, the selfishness and out of touch arrogance is crazy. They really think they're entitled to power, even at the cost of our democracy.
Ah, so you can name a better candidate at this time who can swoop in and beat Trump? Maybe if they started campaigning 2 years ago and were accepted by the DNC. Good luck with that.
The shortsightedness of ya’ll to call him remaining in a race he’s been working on for 4 years is astounding. Is the best we can muster? Certainly not. Is he the best we can muster right now? Unfortunately. It’s him or Trump, so deal with it.
Whitmer, klobuchar, newsom , Warnock, pritzker, hell i'll even take buttigieg, literally anyone on the 2020 debate stage before the center collapsed in on Joe Biden after Obama told them too.
What campaign, he's literally running on being better then trump and he still somehow failed at that, put anyone else on that debate stage and Trump would've been cooked. What is bidens personal selling point? His platform is the standard democrat party line, he's an old white man from a solid blue state so he's not bringing any constituencies from his identity, he's even lost his wise elder statesman angle after that last debate. If you put any other democrat in they could not be trump just as well if not better then Biden.
Weird, why didn’t Whitmer, klobuchar, newsom, warnock, pritzker or hell buttigieg work their names on to the ballot? Why didn’t any of them qualify for the debates instead of Biden?
The answer to those questions is the answer to why we have Biden instead of whoever you like better. And it’s also why they couldn’t win against Trump at this time. Literally none of the people you listed have the widespread support that is needed to satisfy the gape of the fence-sitters like Biden does. It’s unfortunate but true.
He’s the incumbent, that’s the primary reason. But look at all the presidential polls: Biden is fucked. Behind in every battleground state basically the entire time they’ve conducted the polling. Two thirds of the American public (including half of democrats) want him to step aside. Stick with Biden and we lose…and the stakes are way, way too high to lose this time.
Literally anyone (except Clinton, and I guess Harris since she's tainted by Biden).
You're acting like Trump is popular, he's not, Biden is simply as unpopular as a convicted felon. All that's needed to beat Trump would be someone who doesn't stink of dead children. That's literally it. Pick someone who's not associated with Biden and people will rally behimd them. Biden is the very worst we have to offer in this context he's created.
You could put a plank of wood up there and I'd vote for it at this point, as long as it's not old geriatric Genocide Joe Feinstein.
You didn’t answer the question. Answer it.
Who is a better candidate that can beat trump. There is no one named literally anyone. So let’s see you name someone that is VIABLE. Not some bullshit dream you have. Give us a name of someone currently running with the chance to win.
And who is Joe Feinstein?
That's your answer. Throw a dart into a crowd of democratic politicians (just make sure to throw it hard) and democrats across the board, and a good number of independents, will vote for whoever it hits because Donald Trump is still deeply unpopular.
The reason this is possible is because Biden has become toxic and has now outed himself as completely doddering, he's lost both the high and low information voters at this point so replacing him will only be a net benefit for Democrats. Wheel Klobachar or Bill de Blasio out there for all I care. People would quite literally vote for a Roomba. Are you understanding this? I'm telling you, explicitly, anyone stands a better chance over Biden.
Ah, throw a dart and gamble against fascism is a weird hill to die on. And many people will die on that hill if Trump wins.
I promise you no progressive candidate (who are my personal preference for representation) could possibly win against Trump in this time. Centrists won’t save us via positive change, which is the real crime here.
This is where democracy conflicts with what you want. A enormous number of people, large enough to tip the election, care very much who is wheeled in. Many fence sitters see anything other than the status quo as a threat. Biden represents the “safe” option to them. It sucks, but that’s the reality of why he can beat Trump and anyone younger, more progressive, or consisting of more than one “different status” have no choice.
We can’t have a choice of actual good candidates until we overturn Citizens United. At that point I’d agree with you.
Biden is the gamble, even the party establishment is understanding that at this point, why can't you?
Biden is uniquely equipped to lose this race.
Yeah, this is where we diverge. Until literally anyone else even attempts to out-stump Biden, I’ll disagree. Not other candidate actually put up a fight to unseat him. You can want someone else, that’s fine. But until that someone else actually tries, you get what you get.
Biden won’t ruffle feathers, and that’s all the fence sitters want. They’d prefer someone neutered and ineffective. That’s why he’ll win. It’s sad but true.
They fucking canceled the primary across multiple states, what are you talking about "no one put up a fight"? The DNC and their media arm didn't allow a fight, and now it's biting them in the ass as they realize what everyone else has known for the last 4 years; 81 year olds shouldn't be president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CApslJzJNNg&t=4s
So like ALL The others. You have no answer. You were asked in good faith, and answered with bullshit.
You weren’t asked who YOU would be dumb enough to vote for (a roomba?) You were asked specifically WHO COULD WIN AGAINST TRUMP.
It’s that simple. Should be a no brainer which is right up your alley- and you still can’t answer it.
And lastly. This is how easy it is to out you people. One simple question and there’s all we need to know that it sure seems like you’re not here to do anything but disrupt an election.
Do you not understand the word anyone? I answered your question, you just don't want to accept it because the only person you'll accept (for god knows why) is Biden. You were never asking in good faith, I gave you an answer and the reasoning behind it, you chose to ignore it, that's on you.
I'm guessing you're trolling. And not very well.
Do you not understand that ANYONE isn’t running? And that suggesting this as an answer to the question shows you know that the answer is NO ONE.
But we both know that saying as much completely outs your propaganda bullshit.
And… for the record: I am asking a simple question to the topic of the discussion- your repeated bad faith nonsense as an answer is closer to trolling.
Just go ahead and admin that you don’t give a shit about all of the people that will be hurt by Trump becasue you chose to vote for…
anyone.
You're not paying attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CApslJzJNNg
The party itself is talking alternatives. Fucking Nancy Pelosi is voicing doubts about Biden's ability. You're the one arguing in bad faith, there is pressure building within the Democratic party to seriously consider finding a way to get Biden out. And I'm not talking about the electorate, I'm talking about the leadership within the Democratic party.
I'm saying I don't give a flying fuck who they replace him with, just that they find a way to convince him to step aside and seize the chance to rewrite the dogshit narrative Biden has doomed us to.
ROFL… okay buddy.