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NewPipe on Android.
Fuck GrayJay, their marketing lies, and their nasty license.
Advertised as "open source", violates several key parts of the open source definition. It's really a "look but don't touch" thing.
And you do realise ANY copyleft license (GPL, etc) prevents the creation of nonfree applications using that code? Making the app proprietary (yes, GrayJay counts as proprietary) is completely unnecessary.
I know Rossmann brought up NewPipe fakes on the Play Store as justification, but NewPipe is licensed under the GPL. These fakes were already illegal.
If someone posts their source code publicly, it's open source. It's unreasonable to ask them to review and maintain every PR sent their way. If they want to work on it by themselves, that's fine. If you want to fork it and make changes yourself, you can. Literally the only qualification for something to be open source is that the source is open.
It's also unreasonable to be upset if they tell you you're not allowed to take their work and re-sell it for your own profit. That would be like saying that artists are in the wrong for being upset that all those AI companies used their work to train their bots without asking. "Why would they prevent the creation of nonfree applications that use their work?!" I assume that's not your position, right?
But as you said, NewPipe is also copyleft, and it seems like you don't have a problem with that. So I don't really understand what your issue is with Grayjay/FUTO. It's reasonable to be concerned about where their funding comes from, but you haven't mentioned that. You say they have "marketing lies", but haven't pointed to any.
It's perfectly fine for there to be multiple open source solutions to the same problem, and you're allowed to have a favorite, but that doesn't warrant dragging the others' names through the mud for no reason.
Uh, no. That's called "source-available". Terms have meanings. And from the day the words "open source" started being used, this definition is what defined them: https://opensource.org/osd
You can't just redefine an established term because it's inconvenient to your argument.
Good thing being free/open source doesn't require that, then? It basically just requires the users be free to make their own modifications and distribute them. No requirement for public development involvement at all, really. It's standard practice but by no means necessary.
They can terminate your license for any reason or no reason (stated in the license) making your fork in violation of copyright law :).
In other words, they can take down your fork if they feel like it. Making the ability to fork useless.
Again, terms have established meanings. See above.
I don't see how this paragraph relates to my point at all. Is it about the NewPipe paid clones? Because they were illegal anyways (copyleft violation), no egregious license needed.
What do you mean "also copyleft"? Are you implying the GrayJay license is copyleft? Because it absolutely isn't. Again, established term, definition: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/copyleft.en.html
And finally, here's some particularly nasty parts of the license, which funilly enough you don't ever see in free/open source licenses (because they're horribly restrictive terms):
Agreed, which is why you can't expect to enforce the definition you like on everyone. The only thing about "open source" that we agree on is that the "source" is "open".
I'm realizing you're working with outdated information. Take a look at the license again, it's been updated.
It is literally the definition which has been used since the term's conception when the open source movement split off from the software freedom movement. It is a well established term with a well established meaning. Just because you don't want to use that meaning doesn't mean it isn't the correct and most widely recognised. Its not that I like the definition, it's that it is the primary definition and always has been.
No, it's the definition the Open Source Initiative has used since their inception. They are just one of many open source communities with their own licenses.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree (which is my entire point). Cheers.
Which.. split off from the FSF and the software freedom movement. And that term was never used before they created it. They literally defined it and started it's use.
Again, established definition. Stop trying to legitimise your self-concocted definition of "open source".
Stop being a meme of yourself lol
I see you have nothing else to say so jumped to ad hominem instead.
Isn't the greyjay developer team funded by Louis Rossman
Grayjay is funded by FUTO, and Louis works for FUTO.
No. Louis works for greyjay. There is some billionaire behind it all.
You know the billionares name, it would be a good idea to see who the people are behind the funding
"nasty license" ok dude.
@Scary_le_Poo
What's wrong with having some principles and logic ?
The source is available and open for anyone to view.
The license protects the product while allowing anyone who wants to poke through the code.
How can I use those while keeping my watch history automatically sync'd between devices?
Can't speak for invidious, but grayjay's youtube plugin has a "Provide Youtube Activity" option in it's settings to keep history synced.
you can use a native client that incorporates invidious servers like pipe-viewer or minitube to reduce overhead and browser dependence