Programmer Humor

32479 readers

166 users here now

Post funny things about programming here! (Or just rant about your favourite programming language.)

Rules:

Posts must be relevant to programming, programmers, or computer science.
No NSFW content.
Jokes must be in good taste. No hate speech, bigotry, etc.

founded 5 years ago

MODERATORS

cat_programmer@lemmy.ml

AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml

277

Being Agile (lemmy.ml)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by yogthos@lemmy.ml to c/programmerhumor@lemmy.ml

19 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you think that traditional project management is from the top down? Or were you exposed to bad traditional project management? Because that's the same argument that you are making for Agile.

Let's make things clear - the Agile methodology is a great tool. But like any other tool, it is not a one size fits all. But what is happening right now is that it's pushed by upper management because that's the cool tool.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What kind of non-agile bottom-up software projects have you experienced? Bottom-up waterfall? I guess it's possible in theory but that would be a sight to behold.

My only point is that in most situations, upper management are fools that should be left to their devices and should never get a say in development methodologies. By definition if upper management imposes Scrum, it's a self-defeating prophecy.

	Waterfall	Agile	Scrum
Top-down	Can be great (esp. with rigid requirements like fintech, for safety-critical systems, or integration with traditional engineering processes with rigid schedules and feature sets) but will probably be more expensive	Bad managers trying to make-up for their own lack of foresight	Can't exist (but some companies pretend very hard)
Bottom-up	Probably can't exist (but I haven't seen anyone try)	Yes	Yes

Your average tech company should be somewhere in the bottom-right, but bad managers are trying to pull the needle upwards to justify their existence or make up for their incompetence. But they still call that "Agile" (which can be true by some definitions of the word) or "Scrum" (which that isn't, by definition).